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GatoGordo

(2,412 posts)
61. There is no shoring up Venezuela
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 10:51 PM
Feb 2018

It is a kleptocracy, and that's the way that the Chavistas like it.

They will do anything to hold onto power. To quote the Game of Thrones, "He would see this country burn if he could be king of the ashes."

Millions flee. A huge brain drain. Do the Chavistas care? NO! They say, "Good riddance! Who needs doctors, teachers, nurses, and engineers anyway!"

Thousands are dying. Malaria, diphtheria, typhus... disease that most countries rarely have more than a few cases each year. Children dying of malnutrition. No insulin. No antibiotics. No ASPIRIN? Women giving birth on filthy floors... or donkey carts. God forbid, you look at what has happened to mental health facilities in Venezuela. IT IS SICKENING. But Chavismo says, "No! This is all propaganda! Led by the CIA and Colombia, who is jealous of Maduro's dancing prowess!"

Cuba has been in Venezuela since 1999. Venezuela is huge in debt to China (who is now cutting its losses) and Russia (who won't lend another ruble) There is no beach head. Even Nicaragua has had enough. Outside of Bolivia, Maduro's only friends are Iran and Syria. There is ZERO threat to our national security.

Tell me again how Shitler and his henchman are not covertly underming yet another too far Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #1
Its ugly, and dangerous.. pbmus Feb 2018 #2
Stupid comments like this prop up gov'ts like Maduro rpannier Feb 2018 #6
Intelligent comments like mine that insult no one but Shitler recognize history. Sad others Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #12
Useful idiots, I believe the words that Vlad Lenin used GatoGordo Feb 2018 #15
Lenin? Too funny! Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #83
My apologies rpannier Feb 2018 #66
Maduro is a piece of shit Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #69
Oh please can you say oil ? No knowledge at all ..hmm lunasun Feb 2018 #3
LMAO pbmus Feb 2018 #4
Venezuela has a lot of shitty oil. GatoGordo Feb 2018 #20
How is that? 2naSalit Feb 2018 #31
The vast majority of Venezuelan oil is heavy sour GatoGordo Feb 2018 #33
Oil is oil. All oil is processed. Most light crude already tapped out. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #84
Venezuelan crude melm00se Feb 2018 #67
Glad he can joke about it lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #5
It is amazing Perseus Feb 2018 #7
You are not looking at the disease...and if you pbmus Feb 2018 #13
The situation in the United States is nowhere near the situation in Venezuela GatoGordo Feb 2018 #17
Maduro's Brown Shirts and Bolivarian National Police GatoGordo Feb 2018 #21
The VZ military is likely the last hope of the country. Otherwise the pop will continue to flee. 7962 Feb 2018 #8
The VZ military has, with the help of Cuban 'advisers' been riddled COLGATE4 Feb 2018 #11
Well, that figures I guess. I really don't know whats next. Famine? nt 7962 Feb 2018 #23
i think they're already in the famine stage. When you have COLGATE4 Feb 2018 #25
Wow, didnt know it had sunk to that level. 7962 Feb 2018 #26
There are several. My money (in the event that this were to COLGATE4 Feb 2018 #27
I was just thinking how quiet it seemed to be, in the media, about Latin America. Mc Mike Feb 2018 #9
No one needs to destabilize Venz., they have done that just fine on their own. EX500rider Feb 2018 #54
That's Venezuela's only hope. But can we believe anything Tillerson says? Nitram Feb 2018 #10
So Maduro turned out to be corrupt? Cha Feb 2018 #22
Chavez was corrupt. He picked Maduro, so what would you expect? 7962 Feb 2018 #42
If it happens, it'll be like I predicted. Archae Feb 2018 #14
we already tried this trick on Chavez. Most of the military AND people backed Chavez yurbud Feb 2018 #16
Unfortunately for Venezuela.... GatoGordo Feb 2018 #18
Thank you. Odd how different HALF a story can sound! 7962 Feb 2018 #24
Things have changed a great deal since Chavez departed the scene. Nitram Feb 2018 #30
because of the collapse of the price of oil. I suppose common folks wouldn't have noticed yurbud Feb 2018 #35
Maduro and the Chavistas are the 1%. Chavez' daughter Maria is worth over $4 billion. GatoGordo Feb 2018 #47
Maduro was a bus driver then a union leader oddly, I had to get through a lot of right wing sources yurbud Feb 2018 #70
It was well on its way before Chavez died. This would have resulted if he'd lived. 7962 Feb 2018 #44
Maduro had his own successful coup in 2017. EX500rider Feb 2018 #72
The military is fully infiltrated over the last 18 years with Cuban advisers and sympathizers GatoGordo Feb 2018 #19
and troops that support the oligarchs are motivated by what? yurbud Feb 2018 #36
A primer on Venezuela GatoGordo Feb 2018 #46
Sounds like Rex is fomenting a coup. WhiteTara Feb 2018 #28
Maduro doesn't need to worry, Cold War Spook Feb 2018 #29
Yup... 2naSalit Feb 2018 #32
Tillerson knows nothing about the Venezuean military GatoGordo Feb 2018 #34
so...we don't like oligarchs in Russia, but we should like them in Venezuela? yurbud Feb 2018 #37
The current oligarchs in Venz. are Maduro and his cronies. EX500rider Feb 2018 #38
not quite yurbud Feb 2018 #39
Yes, quite. EX500rider Feb 2018 #40
Nuh uh. Fraid not. Mc Mike Feb 2018 #41
Oh, ok. And why is he wrong? 7962 Feb 2018 #43
Because he's attempting to spin our heads, by backing the people who always back oligarchs, Mc Mike Feb 2018 #49
Anybody who thinks Maduro and the Chavistas are the "good guys".. EX500rider Feb 2018 #68
OK... I'll bite. Who are the oligarchs in Venezuela these days? GatoGordo Feb 2018 #45
You got my assessment, in post 9, which you breezed on by, GG. Mc Mike Feb 2018 #48
But your "assessment" is laughable. You skip over the reasons for oil being higher. 7962 Feb 2018 #50
Your 'assessment' of my assessment isn't laughable, it's pitiful. Mc Mike Feb 2018 #55
Your "assessment" isn't based on anything close to factual. GatoGordo Feb 2018 #60
Of course I "mean nothing to you". Neither do the people of VZ apparently. 7962 Feb 2018 #64
Your analysis is waaaay off... but lets examine it. GatoGordo Feb 2018 #59
Now THIS is an analysis based on FACTS. Thank you. nt 7962 Feb 2018 #65
That's often what we say when we read an editorial that validates our biases. LanternWaste Feb 2018 #75
Its what I say when I read FACTS. Do you dispute them? Then provide contrary evidence. You wont. 7962 Feb 2018 #77
Lantern, please don't interrupt the Latin American political experts. Mc Mike Feb 2018 #81
I guess if I couldn't refute anyone's post & info I might post that too.. EX500rider Feb 2018 #82
If that is your idea of a well thought out rebuttal I would ask your schools for a refund. EX500rider Feb 2018 #80
I especially liked how you supported your premise with objective evidence LanternWaste Feb 2018 #74
Anyone familiar with with current events in Venz knows that. EX500rider Feb 2018 #76
Some would do well to read up on a topic, wouldn't they? 7962 Feb 2018 #78
Here: EX500rider Feb 2018 #79
If we had a real State Department, the secretary would be working with procon Feb 2018 #51
That is called diplomacy...not in the Big Con playbook pbmus Feb 2018 #52
You really brought them out of the wood work, with this o.p. Mc Mike Feb 2018 #56
Thanks...our diplomacy is very important pbmus Feb 2018 #57
Agreed, keep up the fight, pb. nt. Mc Mike Feb 2018 #58
"shoring up" a economy that is set up to fail is a losing proposition EX500rider Feb 2018 #53
There is no shoring up Venezuela GatoGordo Feb 2018 #61
Venezuela is too socialists for our 1%'s taste, so they must suffer yurbud Feb 2018 #71
The Venz. govt has ruined their economy so the people of Venz. are suffering. EX500rider Feb 2018 #73
If I remember correctly oneshooter Feb 2018 #62
60% of the oil they lift goes to Russia and China for debt payments to those countries for services GatoGordo Feb 2018 #63
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