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In reply to the discussion: Democrats Are Considering Dropping Superdelegates Altogether [View all]angrychair
(8,690 posts)148. I dont think that you are necessarily
But at least some of the problems you referenced are not inherently the fault of the caucus process per se but more a symptom of the jaded and apathetic approach we take toward voting, of which a national voting holiday is a key component to fixing it.
The objective to fixing this problem should be to get voters engaged and to care about who they send to DC or their state capital.
Im not saying you are against that only making a broader point that the problem isnt caucuses, the problem is how we do voting in this country period.
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I guess you just can't trust candidates that have the support of lobbyists, can you?
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#192
I think I've already asked this of you elsewhere, who is the "Newscorp lobbyist" who....
George II
Mar 2018
#345
Precisely, I've NEVER seen a definition of "status quo" around here. What is it?
George II
Mar 2018
#344
How did super delegates impede growth and change? And here we go again with....
George II
Mar 2018
#245
Give it arrest...some folks employed as lobbyist are Democrats. So pure...so going to lose
Demsrule86
Mar 2018
#98
If they arent officuals in the party in any other capacity, why are they superdelegates?
Tiggeroshii
Mar 2018
#103
Elected officials can lose their positions. They should have their one vote, and that
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#190
Jimmy Carter should not have a say in what my party does? Al Gore? Walter Mondale?
George II
Mar 2018
#266
I am opposed to having a sort of elite in the Democratic Party, and the super delegates
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#393
This will be a big test of the sincerity of the Democrats' belief in democracy.
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#380
You seem to be confused: Superdelegates only vote at the Convention - not on legislation.
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#198
Got it: Superdelegates who are also reps don't represent their constituents at the convention.
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#218
You don't even know who your post #150 was addressing?? You smear her but don't
R B Garr
Mar 2018
#209
I do not object to any specific super delegate. They are all fine people I am sure.
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#311
No delegate to the national convention is ever selected at the grass roots level
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#323
Have you ever attended a state convention or participated in delegate selection processs?
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#322
With some variations, that process is basically they way it works in other states AND....
George II
Mar 2018
#339
To take this one step further, no presidential candidate is ever "elected" at the state level.....
George II
Mar 2018
#343
Posters active in this thread are writing from Russia, one way or another, and we have to say
Eliot Rosewater
Mar 2018
#224
"All Democratic Senators are given that rank, and the Democratic National Committee gave Sanders
shanny
Mar 2018
#327
ALL non-elected-official super delegates are DNC members and virtually all are Democrats.
George II
Mar 2018
#241
They are registered Democrats and worked in the party for years...they work at Fox...
Demsrule86
Mar 2018
#99
It is a decision they are leaning towards and making clear is more likely than not.
Tiggeroshii
Mar 2018
#141
The GOP doesn't have supers but they have winner take all primaries which are less Democratic in
Demsrule86
Mar 2018
#365
I enthusiastically second this post. Look to where the super delegate scolding is coming from.
NBachers
Mar 2018
#140
I am so sick of them...really. I would never vote for any Our Revolution candidate
Demsrule86
Mar 2018
#229
And the coup causes some to think that if only we ran a progressive...well first of
Demsrule86
Mar 2018
#355
She is quite remarkable and has run for office and donates and as every right to be a delegate.
Demsrule86
Mar 2018
#234
And that means what...I like super delegates. It means we never get a 'Trump' and no
Demsrule86
Mar 2018
#360
All delegates to conventions that nominate candidates should be chosen in elections.
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#310
All delegates to conventions that nominate candidates should be chosen in accordance....
George II
Mar 2018
#364
Your posts show that you have no idea as to how the process works in the real world
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#329
Oh...well that is it ...green causes too...why why she must go of course. (Sarcasm)
Demsrule86
Mar 2018
#225
Actually, no she doesn't "work at Fox," that seems to be wild speculation by some here.
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#230
Funny how an employee of an organization becomes a "lobbyist" for that organization.
George II
Mar 2018
#318
How about more people that worked in the trenches being allowed to be delegates
MichMan
Mar 2018
#265
I support getting rid of caucuses that serve as primaries and super delegates.
Sophia4
Mar 2018
#193
In 2008, Texas had the Texas two step which was a combination of primary and caucus
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#239
Washington had primaries in 2008 and 2016 that didn't count, but they had to hold them by law.
LisaM
Mar 2018
#248
So letting elected party officials be delegates to the national convention is offensive
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#172
They were not elected as superdelegates to give a vote for their candidate
Tiggeroshii
Mar 2018
#173
I ran and was elected as a delegate to the 2016 convention and so I paid attention to the rules
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#231
Why do you think that the Congressional Black Caucus would want "undemocratic methods?"
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#186
Talking about how the Black Congressional Caucus doesn't "understand" the system.
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#212
One reason is so we don't get a trump. The repugs wish that they had had super delegates.
brush
Mar 2018
#61
The subject was super delegates, right? Hillary got her early lead in them because Sanders...
brush
Mar 2018
#81
Did you not get the part about making sure POCs are included in a reduced amont of...
brush
Mar 2018
#92
I don't think that will happen. The super delegate structure was designed to protect against that.
brush
Mar 2018
#100
Your suggestion is to abolish it? Super delegates are not there to protect POC voters, they're...
brush
Mar 2018
#138
What do you think almost happened in 2016? A non-Dem who but for not campaigning...
brush
Mar 2018
#94
In 2008, top political allies of Obama made the point that the superdelegates would respect and not
karynnj
Mar 2018
#36
There were substantial efforts made to flip even pledged delegates by the Sanders people
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#244
I think you may not be remembering things as they happened. "All the superdelegates?"
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#233
During the general, absolutely, but the MSM wanted HRC to be the nominee
Fiendish Thingy
Mar 2018
#334
I think you are ignoring the long history of biased media coverage against HRC.
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#354
I would say WaPo is certainly part of the MSM narrative crafting machine
Fiendish Thingy
Mar 2018
#369
except that it's not a stacked deck, superdelegates have never overturned the voters
CreekDog
Mar 2018
#20
How are they going to accomplish one of the goals -- which was to make sure that POC
pnwmom
Mar 2018
#7
I agree. We need to get rid of caucuses. No question, they're the least Democratic way to choose a
ehrnst
Mar 2018
#11
i think we should shift to primaries where they're available, though many places they aren't
CreekDog
Mar 2018
#41
I agree with that. Primaries with a nice, long voting period and easy drop-off ballots would
PatrickforO
Mar 2018
#52
That may explain a great deal as to why one group wants to get rid of superdelegates
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#130
I say reduce the number but keep some protection against a trump-like candidate. The repugs...
brush
Mar 2018
#62
That's not the point and Bernie isn't the point. Any candidate should face an unweighted delegate
Vinca
Mar 2018
#269
Congressional Black Caucus balks at two political reforms being pitched by Bernie Sanders
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#127
So they want to get rid of SDs, that have never mattered when it comes to the nom, but
all american girl
Mar 2018
#27
Without a doubt, but as the old saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2018
#287
Just a simple observation. During the primaries trump got about 25% of the republican vote with
still_one
Mar 2018
#102
Superdelegates are needed until the party tightens up its qualifications on who's allowed to run...
NurseJackie
Mar 2018
#46
At our local precinct caucus we passed proposal to do away with SD--again this year
randr
Mar 2018
#50
very bad idea, but if they do it...need to include winner take all primaries and no
Demsrule86
Mar 2018
#96
I agree...but if you lose the supers...there is little choice because anyone close election could
Demsrule86
Mar 2018
#362
I think it's a good idea, so that means it probably won't happen. Establishment Dems run the show.
YOHABLO
Mar 2018
#107
Superdelegates undercut the argument of one person - one vote. A superdelegate votes in the primary
24601
Mar 2018
#161
Why do you conflate and assume support of the Unity Reofrm Council's superdelagate proposal
Devil Child
Mar 2018
#219
This thread is not about the Unity Commission proposal but a different proposal
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#228
it is a quote from ANIMAL FARM..ya know the classic used to teach us that unchecked power always
questionseverything
Mar 2018
#404
A friend in the Texas legislature proposed it but this did not get out of committee
Gothmog
Mar 2018
#273