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Meet the new boss, Fiendish Thingy Mar 2018 #1
Exactly right. They can't be rid of superdelegates because they refuse to be rid of superdelegates. marble falls Mar 2018 #4
Look, reducing superdelegates would actually reduce Hortensis Mar 2018 #17
for the most part, having them is anti-democratic and corrupt. yurbud Mar 2018 #21
Yurbud, a Democratic Party (!!!) candidate once Hortensis Mar 2018 #23
Lincoln was a Republican. Tactical Peek Mar 2018 #25
Lol. Glad you think so: Lincoln was a sensible LIBERAL. Hortensis Mar 2018 #26
The party of Lincoln? Yeah, that was racist too Exotica Mar 2018 #73
Notably, theRepubicans have NO great people of their Hortensis Mar 2018 #74
I in no way would call him great, and he had his own immense flaws, but IF the Republicans Exotica Mar 2018 #77
Eisenhower'd despise today's Republicans, and vice versa. Hortensis Mar 2018 #79
The Democrats during Lincoln's time were like most white males, highly prejudiced and racist. still_one Mar 2018 #81
To enlarge, clarity comes with using the words conservative Hortensis Mar 2018 #82
I agree with your entire analysis Hortensis still_one Mar 2018 #83
Wish people badmouthing our party knew this, Hortensis Mar 2018 #84
So why did Bernie Sanders agree to be one? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #45
Yurbud, are we agreed the answer is "situational ethics"? Hortensis Mar 2018 #54
Would you buy a slave if that was the only way you could free them? yurbud Mar 2018 #91
I don't agree with anyone 100% of the time. yurbud Mar 2018 #63
Convenient response to the question, though not an answer to the question. LanternWaste Mar 2018 #89
I disagree. They vote with the person with the most votes...and I would remind you that Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #93
Super delegates have never gone against the winner of the popular vote Gothmog Mar 2018 #29
Underline this! They've done well. The one time Hortensis Mar 2018 #34
Stop bringing up the 2008 primary. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #71
No need to go to 2008, the Bernie campaign tried to sway them in 2016. tammywammy Mar 2018 #72
Hillary Clinton endorsed President Obama early in June before the Texas state Democratic Convention Gothmog Mar 2018 #78
Hassin, the discussion is changes to our party rules Hortensis Mar 2018 #85
All the more reason to end their existence as voting delegates at conventions. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #51
Not in the real world Gothmog Mar 2018 #53
How do you define the term "Democrat"? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #55
Again... Bernie was one of those superdelegates that you say "uggggggh!" ehrnst Mar 2018 #57
No response yet Gothmog Mar 2018 #76
You should not use terms that you do not know the definition of Gothmog Mar 2018 #59
Damn straight. ehrnst Mar 2018 #61
That is a very narrow definition of corrupt and corruption. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #62
LOL-thank you for the laughs Gothmog Mar 2018 #69
Don't derail this discussion with facts... ehrnst Mar 2018 #80
Facts do beat silly definitions that do not support the arguments advanced Gothmog Mar 2018 #88
Thank you for an excellent post, Gothmog, and for bringing valued rationality R B Garr Mar 2018 #110
Who called "Democrats corrupt just to support one Senator"? Sophia4 Mar 2018 #116
Ive seen previous posts, though. R B Garr Mar 2018 #117
Nominations for public office should be made by the voters, decided by the voters. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #114
Again you were wrong before and you are still wrong Gothmog Mar 2018 #119
We are each entitled to his/her opinion. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #120
But such practice is not corrupt Gothmog Mar 2018 #124
It is corrupt because it places one person in a much more powerful position Sophia4 Mar 2018 #125
Again you are using a term that you do not understand Gothmog Mar 2018 #127
Super delegates at a convention that is supposed to reflect the outcome of a democratic Sophia4 Mar 2018 #128
Again, using a term that you do not understand does not help your argument Gothmog Mar 2018 #130
The definition of corrupt is much broader than that. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #115
I responded to that post to show how wrong you were in that post Gothmog Mar 2018 #118
I have explained several times that I am accusing an institution, not individuals, Sophia4 Mar 2018 #121
And you are wrong Gothmog Mar 2018 #122
You are entitled to your opinion, and I to mine. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #123
You really do not understand the process at all Gothmog Mar 2018 #126
Why do you think that Bernie participated in what you say is a "corrupt process?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #129
And his top campaign adviser helped create the system of super delegates..... George II Mar 2018 #132
Not everything is a superficial corruption rally cry. R B Garr Mar 2018 #109
Bernie was a Superdelegate. ehrnst Mar 2018 #56
We do need them or we need to restructure our primaries in order to get Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #94
Actually, super delegates were invented because the Democratic hierarchy was not Sophia4 Mar 2018 #98
I know what happened... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #101
As happened in 2016??? karynnj Mar 2018 #50
The SD rules have been in BlueMTexpat Mar 2018 #35
Bingo. Candidates who run for POTUS on a Dem ticket agree to the rules when they run. ehrnst Mar 2018 #38
There seem to be BlueMTexpat Mar 2018 #40
Well, anyone who runs as a Dem agrees to those rules. Bernie was a superdelegate ehrnst Mar 2018 #43
They only care about "perceived influence" lagomorph777 Mar 2018 #90
If I'm not mistaken, super delegates have never determined our candidate. George II Mar 2018 #2
If they have no effect, no use, why have them? marble falls Mar 2018 #5
Congressional Black Caucus: Keep superdelegate system in place Gothmog Mar 2018 #30
That article was from June 2016. Anything changed since then? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2018 #66
The CBC is still against this proposal Gothmog Mar 2018 #67
Good.n/t MBS Mar 2018 #68
That open Supreme Court seat was known way before the R B Garr Mar 2018 #112
We have them so we can avoid a Trump like candidate and to avoid a legal mess in the event of a Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #95
Who is the Trump of the left? Unlike Republicans, we don't have brain damaged racist wing yurbud Mar 2018 #99
you can say that after 16? A whole lot of people fell for the Russian crap...and think about this... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #100
the bottom line is it's a check on democracy, and that's how Hillary used it yurbud Mar 2018 #103
What evidence is there that people voted based on the "Russia crap" yurbud Mar 2018 #104
It is pretty clear the Russians attacked our elections and tricked many into voting for Stein... Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #105
Were there a lot more votes for Stein than in the past? yurbud Mar 2018 #108
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #9
How did super delegates determine the nominee? George II Mar 2018 #10
read the article INdemo Mar 2018 #14
I did, they didn't. George II Mar 2018 #16
But that's sort of close to the target. Igel Mar 2018 #12
The point I was making with this reference was INdemo Mar 2018 #15
In what way? And why would anyone have run on a Democratic ticket if ehrnst Mar 2018 #44
Disclaimer - this is NOT refighting the primary (although others apparently are), but..... George II Mar 2018 #60
The linked article cites no nomination determined by superdelegates, Tactical Peek Mar 2018 #19
the article was in March of 2016 and Hillary already had 496 Superdelegates. INdemo Mar 2018 #20
I read the damn article. Tactical Peek Mar 2018 #22
She had worked with many of them for decades. ehrnst Mar 2018 #48
Congressional Black Caucus balks at two political reforms being pitched by Bernie Sanders Gothmog Mar 2018 #31
bingo Champion Jack Mar 2018 #27
Bernie was a Superdelegate, so he knew exactly what he was signing up for ehrnst Mar 2018 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Mar 2018 #41
Not seeing where they selected the candidate - the voters did. ehrnst Mar 2018 #42
Exactly. BlueMTexpat Mar 2018 #36
Say what? ananda Mar 2018 #3
Eliminate them. CentralMass Mar 2018 #6
Black Caucus plans to defend Democrats' use of superdelegates Gothmog Mar 2018 #32
I'm surprised, I tells ya, completely bowled over!!! Javaman Mar 2018 #7
What about the caucuses? Upstate One Mar 2018 #8
Why? Igel Mar 2018 #13
Caucuses are the antithesis to the popular vote. ehrnst Mar 2018 #47
I sincerely hope so! eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2018 #37
DNC once again teases with notions of reform Devil Child Mar 2018 #11
From the article cited in the OP Gothmog Mar 2018 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Mar 2018 #18
WTF is that supposed to mean? murielm99 Mar 2018 #24
Do you think he is transgender? ehrnst Mar 2018 #46
I am not surprised at this Gothmog Mar 2018 #28
If the Dems want to repair their image Catch2.2 Mar 2018 #49
So Bernie Sanders - who was a Superdelegate in 2016, was one of "the same old establishment Dems?" ehrnst Mar 2018 #58
Who is pushing for this change other than some splinter groups? Gothmog Mar 2018 #75
I don't think you understand the image problem is Hortensis Mar 2018 #86
Superdelegates introduce sanity in to counter populists, an example of which is Trump. NNadir Mar 2018 #52
" " " " n/t MBS Mar 2018 #70
If superdelegates assure that the candidate is a Demcorat question everything Mar 2018 #64
Yes. This. Thank you. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #107
Good mcar Mar 2018 #65
The funny thing is, that if they got rid of superdelegates, the winner would be clear earlier KitSileya Mar 2018 #87
The most glaring Irony is those pushing to eliminate superdelegates, GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #92
Bingo. It is not about democracy, after all R B Garr Mar 2018 #111
They are an undemocratic vestige of "smoky back rooms." alarimer Mar 2018 #96
Color me suprised nolabels Mar 2018 #97
The most important reason to KEEP superdelegates is sitting in the White House jmowreader Mar 2018 #102
Thank you! (I'm totally in favor of superdelegates... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #106
+1 Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #134
Good... I'm still waiting for a better reason than Blue_Tires Mar 2018 #113
I know... weird, huh? NurseJackie Mar 2018 #133
No...every state would have caucuses jmowreader Mar 2018 #135
Yes, this is about Bernie's loss and tossing around the word corruption as R B Garr Mar 2018 #136
Seems like as a party we either stand for democratic principles or not. KPN Mar 2018 #131
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