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Gothmog

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31. How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested -- and Utterly Failed
Tue Jun 19, 2018, 07:46 PM
Jun 2018

Again the findings of this judge will be used to attack any future trials where the GOP tries to use lies about voter fraud to justify GOP voter suppression tactics https://www.propublica.org/article/kris-kobach-voter-fraud-kansas-trial

The trial had a significance that extends far beyond the Jayhawk state. One of the fundamental questions in the debate over alleged voter fraud — whether a substantial number of non-citizens are in fact registering to vote — was one of two issues to be determined in the Kansas proceedings. (The second was whether there was a less burdensome solution than what Kansas had adopted.) That made the trial a telling opportunity to remove the voter fraud claims from the charged, and largely proof-free, realms of political campaigns and cable news shoutfests and examine them under the exacting strictures of the rules of evidence.

That’s precisely what occurred and according to Robinson, an appointee of George W. Bush, the proof that voter fraud is widespread was utterly lacking. As the judge put it, “the court finds no credible evidence that a substantial number of noncitizens registered to vote” even under the previous law, which Kobach had claimed was weak......

Richman had played a small but significant part in the 2016 presidential campaign. Trump and others had cited his work to claim that illegal votes had robbed Trump of the popular vote. At an October 2016 rally in Wisconsin, the candidate cited Richman’s work to bolster his predictions that the election would be rigged. “You don’t read about this, right?” Trump told the crowd, before reading from an op-ed Richman had written for The Washington Post: “‘We find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in various close elections.’ Okay? All right?”

Richman’s 2014 study of non-citizen registration used data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study — an online survey of more than 32,000 people. Of those, fewer than 40 individuals indicated they were non-citizens registered to vote. Based on that sample, Richman concluded that up to 2.8 million illegal votes had been cast in 2008 by non-citizens. In fact, he put the illegal votes at somewhere between 38,000 and 2.8 million — a preposterously large range — and then Trump and others simply used the highest figure.....

On the courtroom’s televisions, Kobach appeared, saying Trump’s tweet was “absolutely correct.” Without naming Richman, Kobach referred to his study: The number of non-citizens who said they’d voted in 2008 was far larger than the popular vote margin, Kobach said on the video. The same number likely voted again in 2016.

In the courtroom, Ho asked Richman if he believed his research supported such a claim. Richman stammered. He repeatedly looked at Kobach, seemingly searching for a way out. Ho persisted and finally, Richman gave his answer: “I do not believe my study provides strong support for that notion.”

This one trial put to rest the claim by trump that he won the popular vote.
#Breaking. We won Gothmog Jun 2018 #1
Great news!! Need to up my donation to the ACLU.. Thekaspervote Jun 2018 #2
Defendants' experts in the Kansas proof of citizenship case were not credible, in the judge's opinio Gothmog Jun 2018 #27
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #3
From Dale Ho (the ACLU top election law litigator) Gothmog Jun 2018 #4
Kobach is ordered to attend additional CLE Gothmog Jun 2018 #5
CLE is IATA airport code for Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. Does Kobach own a piece of it? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #10
CLE is Continuing Legal Education klook Jun 2018 #11
Thanks. Many TLAs are opaque. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #13
Heh. FRM. klook Jun 2018 #14
It's like telling a physics prof azureblue Jun 2018 #17
From Dale Ho of the ACLU Gothmog Jun 2018 #20
people learn what they want to learn. Just look at Trump!! riversedge Jun 2018 #21
In my world, CLE is continuing Legal Education Gothmog Jun 2018 #19
I hope someone files a complaint against Kobacb to the lawyers Association or whatever organization riversedge Jun 2018 #22
...and 40 hours picking up trash along the road. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #16
Judge in Kansas proof of citizenship case is not impressed with Jesse Richman and Hans von Spakovsky Gothmog Jun 2018 #28
Thanks, good news. The title accidentally mis-spelled SOB, though. rec, nt. Mc Mike Jun 2018 #6
No, I think it was supposed to be POS lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #15
Touche. Mc Mike Jun 2018 #23
The key so-called experts used by the GOP were also discredited Gothmog Jun 2018 #24
I knew Hans Von S would be in there. Forgot Jesse Richman's name. Mc Mike Jun 2018 #32
Great news, Gothmog. brer cat Jun 2018 #7
Yep Gothmog Jun 2018 #9
America's No. 1 voter fraud conspiracy theorist goes down in court Gothmog Jun 2018 #29
That's going to sting. brer cat Jun 2018 #30
The GOP go to expert of voter fraud is dissed in this opinion Gothmog Jun 2018 #8
Excellent news! klook Jun 2018 #12
From Ari Berman Gothmog Jun 2018 #18
Kansas' Kobach suffers humiliating loss in federal court Gothmog Jun 2018 #25
Six hours of CLE doesn't seem sufficient. TexasTowelie Jun 2018 #26
How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested -- and Utterly Failed Gothmog Jun 2018 #31
Kobach will not defend himself on appeal Gothmog Jul 2018 #33
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