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I am all for respecting different cultures. nycbos Aug 2018 #1
Their views are extremist, and they would never fit in with the rest of the population. colorado_ufo Aug 2018 #2
yep. barbtries Aug 2018 #27
Did they offer to wear latex gloves? Feminism and masculinity could be fatal to opposite sex. olegramps Aug 2018 #3
Then you aren't exactly all for it. What if it were phobic? marble falls Aug 2018 #39
Do you want to revoke MurrayDelph Aug 2018 #60
He can wear gloves. Doodley Aug 2018 #73
But he fails to shake hands of both men and women More_Cowbell Aug 2018 #97
that's a medical condition that applies to all people JI7 Aug 2018 #109
He TALKS to people without regard to gender. The people in the OP wouldn't do interviews pnwmom Aug 2018 #118
But for Orthodox Jews ...? Shoonra Aug 2018 #99
As a Jew I don't have respect for that ultra-orthox custom. nycbos Aug 2018 #100
I've had that happen to me, also. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #102
Except the rabbi's wife also leftynyc Aug 2018 #137
But isn't the reason the rabbi's wife won't shake PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #140
I think they're saying leftynyc Aug 2018 #142
If they were placing zero blame on women, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #143
I think there may be unconscious, underlying hostility. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #112
I've known many Orthodox who will when they have to EllieBC Aug 2018 #115
So what's a germophobe to do? JenniferJuniper Aug 2018 #4
Suck it up or wear gloves? EX500rider Aug 2018 #6
They also struggled to simply SPEAK with the opposite sex. This had nothing to do with germs. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #8
"During the hearing, this couple displayed a general discriminatory behaviour" dalton99a Aug 2018 #14
So what? I don't talk to some people either. So is this avoidence refection on a scale ... marble falls Aug 2018 #42
It wasn't people in general -- it was ALL people of a DIFFERENT gender. nt pnwmom Aug 2018 #47
You'd be a surefire Olympian in the sport of mental gymnastics. John Fante Aug 2018 #48
Meh. But you still pass the citizenship test. And so do they. Its not as if they are criminals ... marble falls Aug 2018 #72
You make some good points. Doodley Aug 2018 #74
Thanks. I an all inclusive short of the criminal kind of guy. marble falls Aug 2018 #77
You may not like to talk to people socially but you must talk to the officials who are TeamPooka Aug 2018 #55
A.Hand.Shake. Are you an athiest? For purposes of full disclosure: I'm a Lutheran ... marble falls Aug 2018 #75
did you read the article or just the headline? They refused to speak to members of the opposite sex TeamPooka Aug 2018 #83
Again, so what? Tell me - do you think everyone should be speaking English in the USA? marble falls Aug 2018 #86
Exactly. They need to observe basic courtesy by shaking hands, even if that isn't part of Doodley Aug 2018 #76
Why? What "basic courtesy" would that be? If I had picked up a flu bug on my hand ... marble falls Aug 2018 #80
If they cannot give the same respect to women as they do to men, they do Doodley Aug 2018 #90
There's where you don't get it. When I was in Turkey I visited a Mosque. I asked about ... marble falls Aug 2018 #96
We are talking about shaking hands. When you enter somebody else"s house, you follow the rules of Doodley Aug 2018 #103
Oh puhleze. I do the hesatation move to attempt to discourage handshakes, and its my ... marble falls Aug 2018 #106
just wondering orleans Aug 2018 #132
Well I do like you sig line. pennylane100 Aug 2018 #59
Niether shake hands with members of the opposite sex, they do hold conversation ... marble falls Aug 2018 #85
What does my religion have to do with the price of eggs. pennylane100 Aug 2018 #107
if that is the way the couple is then fine orleans Aug 2018 #133
Do you base your decisions on the sex of the person? Adrahil Aug 2018 #146
wash their hands afterwards JI7 Aug 2018 #110
Sounds like an attempt to stack the deck against Muslim applicants. klook Aug 2018 #5
Sounds like an attempt to maintain a fully functional, egalitarian Swiss society. pnwmom Aug 2018 #10
And this is about priorities PatSeg Aug 2018 #17
it's definitely not limited to Muslim fundamentalism. barbtries Aug 2018 #30
I grew up in a Muslim neighborhood! at140 Aug 2018 #81
Well said padah513 Aug 2018 #91
+1 RelativelyJones Aug 2018 #111
It seems that adherents of the more Orthodox branches of Judaism musette_sf Aug 2018 #16
That may be true. And of fundies in the Mormon sect that stole Elizabeth Smart. pnwmom Aug 2018 #33
Like, in Germany, having to post signs telling men to NOT touch women in public pools 7962 Aug 2018 #37
All of the Orthodox I personally know EllieBC Aug 2018 #116
And they don't refuse to even speak with members of the opposite sex, do they? pnwmom Aug 2018 #117
lol I have Chassidim in my family. They speak EllieBC Aug 2018 #119
That's what I thought. I don't know any orthodox Jewish people here, pnwmom Aug 2018 #120
There's a way to maintain your cultural beliefs and not EllieBC Aug 2018 #121
Good. Stack the deck against anyone who doesnt went to live in a civilized society. 7962 Aug 2018 #35
Then why try to immigrant to a country like Switzerland in the first place? cstanleytech Aug 2018 #41
I am a white male from Europe who became a US permanent resident then a US citizen. If I Doodley Aug 2018 #79
I've shaken of the hands of muslim women... Adrahil Aug 2018 #147
I'm with the Swiss on this one .... CatMor Aug 2018 #7
Just for argument's sake... pangaia Aug 2018 #15
Citizenship is a birthright marylandblue Aug 2018 #21
Thanks. pnwmom said about the same as the 1st part of your answer... pangaia Aug 2018 #66
There are certain things we agree on almost across the board marylandblue Aug 2018 #78
I wish they couldn't but .... CatMor Aug 2018 #25
Because we don't deport people who were born here for any reasons. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #40
Thanks, that is about the simplest logical answer... pangaia Aug 2018 #64
Because they're already citizens... Johnyawl Aug 2018 #49
Your last sentence... GOOD point... pangaia Aug 2018 #67
to convert it qazplm135 Aug 2018 #126
Yes PatSeg Aug 2018 #19
+1 dalton99a Aug 2018 #29
Well, Switzerland is - and should be - free to establish its own criteria Glorfindel Aug 2018 #9
Perfectly reasonable move by Swiss officials. Devil Child Aug 2018 #11
Religious extremism, it seems like. Rather like Pence not dining with a woman except his wife uppityperson Aug 2018 #12
In Pence's case, pennylane100 Aug 2018 #58
What does the couple have to say JonLP24 Aug 2018 #13
They have nothing to say to people of the opposite sex. That's the problem. pnwmom Aug 2018 #18
The details are being discussed JonLP24 Aug 2018 #26
Actually I think they had to barbtries Aug 2018 #31
But they aren't named, so their privacy is not being invaded. And the other article pnwmom Aug 2018 #38
Isn't a handshake supposed to be out of respect for others? In which case, ... Snellius Aug 2018 #20
If that was Swiss custom, why would a conservative Muslim want to live there? nt marylandblue Aug 2018 #24
Love it or leave it? Are customs in a democratic country a duty of all by law? Like with the Taliban Snellius Aug 2018 #34
It wasn't just that. They refused to SPEAK to interviewers of the opposite sex. pnwmom Aug 2018 #43
And what if she were deaf and mute? What if the Taliban had cut off her hands for shaking with a man Snellius Aug 2018 #52
A deaf-mute person wouldn't be refusing to interact with people of the opposite gender pnwmom Aug 2018 #54
Yes, See that the problem is not about handshaking. Don't know why that was even headlined Snellius Aug 2018 #62
You are engaging in the fallacy of the excluded middle marylandblue Aug 2018 #45
but that is radical barbtries Aug 2018 #32
FWIW Dutch Woman Denied Swiss Passport Because She Was 'Annoying' dalton99a Aug 2018 #22
Pig races? jberryhill Aug 2018 #46
And there is Chufladefascht - the Cowpat Festival dalton99a Aug 2018 #50
Yeah... if they don't clean that up in the fall... jberryhill Aug 2018 #51
Good Owl Aug 2018 #23
Good. Zero tolerance for religious bullshit. nt Codeine Aug 2018 #28
Europe does not value "freedom of expression" Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #36
Actually, they do. They view people being willing to verbally express their thoughts pnwmom Aug 2018 #44
Actually they don't Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #53
A freedom of expression that is limited only to people of one's same gender pnwmom Aug 2018 #56
Uh... Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #57
Who are you kidding? There is a lack of freedom of expression in the states. Doodley Aug 2018 #87
I'm talking about negative rights here Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #94
They have more of a problem with the value of diversity Snellius Aug 2018 #114
There is that too Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #123
The U.S.: "We're so equal, we'll fight for your right not to treat women and men as equals -- pnwmom Aug 2018 #61
Excellent concise summary. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2018 #69
The US isn't equal at all. It's a pseudo-equal, politically correct state. Oneironaut Aug 2018 #93
Would they treat a Hasidic or orthodox Jewish couple the same way? ET Awful Aug 2018 #63
Based on my experience with the Swiss.. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2018 #70
Based on my, admittedly casual, reading marybourg Aug 2018 #71
If the person refused to speak to the Swiss interviewer of the opposite sex, yes. n/t pnwmom Aug 2018 #82
Just today, I saw a muslim woman LittleGirl Aug 2018 #65
You had the same visceral reaction I did when I first saw a woman dressed that way pnwmom Aug 2018 #84
Not shocking. I agree but find girls and young women who dress in the opposite extreme Doodley Aug 2018 #89
Looking like hookers? Please expound on your train of thought? GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #130
Would you like to have a 14-year-old daughter who dresses like that? Doodley Aug 2018 #134
Of course I would GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #138
Are you saying if you had a 14-year-old girl in your house, you would like her to be scantily clad? Doodley Aug 2018 #144
Sure. Just spent a week at a beach house with dear friends GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #145
To be clear, are you saying you do like underage children to be scantily clad? Doodley Aug 2018 #148
Are you a professional Strawman builder? GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #149
You first attacked me because I used the word "hooker" Doodley Aug 2018 #150
What is wrong with children in bikinis? Marrah_Goodman Aug 2018 #152
According to the person you are responding to they look like Hookers GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #156
By the way, please cut out the personal insults. Doodley Aug 2018 #135
You earned it. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #139
he behaviors in question are personal choices. the reason for those choices is irrelevant nt msongs Aug 2018 #68
Are they really, though? Oneironaut Aug 2018 #92
my guess is that the EU wouldn't allow christx30 Aug 2018 #125
I wouldn't oppose that being the case in the US as well. David__77 Aug 2018 #88
good for Switzerland rollin74 Aug 2018 #95
What I find interesting is how the reporter's reporting Igel Aug 2018 #98
100% agree with Swiss governement AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #101
It's not that hard to pick a country to emigrate to nocoincidences Aug 2018 #104
When I lived in a strict Muslim country for over a decade JCMach1 Aug 2018 #105
Seriously. If you don't want to be Swiss? alphafemale Aug 2018 #127
how do they enforce fasting ? JI7 Aug 2018 #131
There are plenty of countries in the world where I do not qualify for citizenship mn9driver Aug 2018 #108
They were denied CITIZENSHIP, not just a residence visa. DFW Aug 2018 #113
+1 dalton99a Aug 2018 #141
But you are fine with a woman being stoned to death for showing her face? alphafemale Aug 2018 #122
Posting an article in DU, without comment, marybourg Aug 2018 #124
If you are talking to me, I am not fine with stoning...or burkas, or lots of.. EX500rider Aug 2018 #128
Good alphafemale Aug 2018 #129
Good Raine Aug 2018 #136
How dare you tell try to tell the citizens of a country their rules to become a citizen? alphafemale Aug 2018 #155
You are a agent of chaos WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #151
Does that come a good pension plan or medical or dental? EX500rider Aug 2018 #153
I don't know you tell me? WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #154
not sure about the reason antongorlin Aug 2018 #157
I agree. There's something wrong here. marble falls Aug 2018 #158
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