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Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:30 AM

Nov 2018

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Federal judge finds female genital mutilation law unconstitutional [View all] Calista241 Nov 2018 OP

That's fucked up pscot Nov 2018 #1

U.S. District Judge Bernard Friedman...hope his career nosedives with this ruling Merlot Nov 2018 #2

He appears to be a Libertarian extremist rpannier Nov 2018 #18

Apparently you don't understand the reason for the decision. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author bobGandolf Nov 2018 #105

I understand that FGM is never acceptable. Merlot Nov 2018 #110

Of course it isn't. But there are legal remedies that work and ones that don't. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #112

This can only seem reasonable if you don't really care about the problem. bloom Nov 2018 #128

I didn't write the Commerce Clause. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #131

Okay. Cut off his penis and see how he likes it. nt DURHAM D Nov 2018 #3

Without any pain meds. alwaysinasnit Nov 2018 #7

He can have an aspirin. DURHAM D Nov 2018 #9

That's probably a good idea. Crazy people should not be allowed to carry weapons. lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #76

Well it is evident that he doesn't have any testicals making the operation quick easy. olegramps Nov 2018 #79

It must be appealed. whathehell Nov 2018 #4

agree. nt spooky3 Nov 2018 #6

Yes, or else we wont be laughing whathehell Nov 2018 #8

On the law, specifically the application of the Commerce Clause, the judge was correct. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #102

Whatever whathehell Nov 2018 #114

Elections Have Consequences, Including the Gift of Misogynistic Federal Judges dlk Nov 2018 #5

Yes they do ...and people will learn they HAVE to vote or they will have more of this Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #72

That is why WE NEED A VIABLE CANDIDATE - Beto for 2020 - PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION .. .. iDOcareDoyou Nov 2018 #84

This is against the girls' will. It is assault & battery with bodily injury. CaptainTruth Nov 2018 #10

There is no federal law against assault and battery jberryhill Nov 2018 #23

There is a federal hate crime law. pnwmom Nov 2018 #62

You think they should appeal on what basis? jberryhill Nov 2018 #71

Yes, and as was pointed out in another thread, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #103

Congress doesn't have the authority to pass laws against human mutilation? sinkingfeeling Nov 2018 #11

The absence of a federal law doesn't mean something is legal under state law jberryhill Nov 2018 #22

It does, but only if the statute specifies that the specific crime being prosecuted has a nexus with The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #104

What the fucking hell!?!? scarletwoman Nov 2018 #12

Identify a federal law against child abuse. jberryhill Nov 2018 #13

There is a federal law against child abuse right in the OP Takket Nov 2018 #49

What about beating children? jberryhill Nov 2018 #51

But you are moving the goalposts. S/he answered spooky3 Nov 2018 #65

I'm from Michigan Takket Nov 2018 #86

In answer to your question, Congress can do the following: jberryhill Nov 2018 #88

I like to pretend no one knows what's being discussed either. LanternWaste Nov 2018 #90

Jberryhill is correct though Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #113

You're beginning to sound like a climate change denier. X_Digger Nov 2018 #120

So... analogous... Takket Nov 2018 #124

Interstate commerce jberryhill Nov 2018 #125

It is just another example of the how states rights lead to a hodgepodge of ridiculous laws. olegramps Nov 2018 #81

So, the recreational lobster catch limit should be the same in Florida, Maine and Nebraska? jberryhill Nov 2018 #87

When you start catching lobsters in Nebraska let me know. olegramps Nov 2018 #92

Well, surely the laws concerning snow removal are the same in Florida and Maine jberryhill Nov 2018 #93

Firstly regarding the lobsters: olegramps Nov 2018 #95

I caught crabs there once jberryhill Nov 2018 #94

Have a look at the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #107

We are a union of states. X_Digger Nov 2018 #119

This decision MUST be appealed. These savages must not be allowed to continue this barbarism. 7962 Nov 2018 #14

The law is unconstitutional because it violates the Commerce Clause. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #106

Appointed by Reagan. He did rule in favor of same sex marriage in 2014 lostnfound Nov 2018 #15

Reading his bio and articles from his 'admirers' he seems to be a Libertarian extremist rpannier Nov 2018 #19

Pursuit of happiness? jberryhill Nov 2018 #29

Who argued it did appear there? LanternWaste Nov 2018 #78

"No duh." lostnfound Nov 2018 #117

Without jumping, folks should note: elleng Nov 2018 #16

So if a religion believed in removing a lung or a kidney in children, would that be okay? lostnfound Nov 2018 #17

It would have to be against a state law. Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #38

IMO Dr Nagarwala needs to lose her medical license. LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #20

Why isn't it a civil rights violation? There is no comparable procedure pnwmom Nov 2018 #21

+++ agree. iluvtennis Nov 2018 #24

How can The case is set to go to trial in April 2019? 4du Nov 2018 #25

Because there are two other crimes remaining to be tried jberryhill Nov 2018 #50

Thank you 4du Nov 2018 #91

that's freedom of religion to you AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #26

The ruling has nothing to do with freedom of religion jberryhill Nov 2018 #28

What about a civil rights violation, as a gender-based assault? n/t pnwmom Nov 2018 #32

Here's what is frustrating about press accounts and general legal ignorance here jberryhill Nov 2018 #41

I believe you will find this article eye opening jberryhill Nov 2018 #53

Thanks. I've found a site that lists legislation by state and I'll post it.. n/t pnwmom Nov 2018 #63

"but rather engaged in a benign religious ritual..." But tell us again about what it isn't about. DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #35

Did you read the actual decision? jberryhill Nov 2018 #37

So the defense explicitly stating it was a benign religious ritual is...? DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #42

Has jack shit to do with the limits of Article I legislative power jberryhill Nov 2018 #43

You understand the line came from verbal arguments, right? Made in court? During proceedings? DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #45

I see you are a fast reader jberryhill Nov 2018 #46

I think I see what's going on here. I'm not on the judge, though I think it's the wrong decision... DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #57

No one has ever overturned a state anti-FGM law on religious freedom grounds. jberryhill Nov 2018 #58

Ok, but again, not part of any of my argument. You said religion wasn't part of this... DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #61

Rabbis do not have anything to do with a circumcision. Cold War Spook Nov 2018 #100

A mohel can be either a doctor, a rabbi or a cantor. It's whoever has the training. I was imprecise. DRoseDARs Nov 2018 #116

Thank you. Now if folks here would only read and comprehend. marybourg Nov 2018 #56

I think this will be overturned unless the defendants can prove they mutilate boys in the same way. underthematrix Nov 2018 #27

Okay then. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #30

WTF?! sakabatou Nov 2018 #31

Reagan appointee RandySF Nov 2018 #33

Republican LogicFirst Nov 2018 #34

who apparently understands the commerce clause of the constitution. Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #40

Good luck jberryhill Nov 2018 #44

I mean, I think FGM should a crime in every state of the union Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #52

This article is excellent jberryhill Nov 2018 #54

That's sick. Solly Mack Nov 2018 #36

Mother Trucker! benld74 Nov 2018 #39

Strangely enough, this is a good ruling jmowreader Nov 2018 #47

26 states have outlawed it jberryhill Nov 2018 #48

FGM laws by state William Seger Nov 2018 #60

My question is more basic angrychair Nov 2018 #68

That's a "basic" question with a very complex answer jberryhill Nov 2018 #75

Got you angrychair Nov 2018 #89

Here's a quick take on that jberryhill Nov 2018 #83

I haven't read the opinion Sgent Nov 2018 #69

Gonzales was decided upon A DAY IN THE LIFE Nov 2018 #80

FGM article Takket Nov 2018 #55

This is obviously a conservative judge who refuses to give any creedence to the RDANGELO Nov 2018 #59

So in the last 24 hours, torture, mutilation, and state sanctioned murder are apparently OK now. Initech Nov 2018 #64

Interesting case! burrowowl Nov 2018 #66

If we want devout Muslim Americans to continue voting for the Democratic Party in the numbers that jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #67

Good luck with that ansible Nov 2018 #70

It's not a "Muslim" practice jberryhill Nov 2018 #73

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #98

Is that sort of behavior limited to Muslims? jberryhill Nov 2018 #99

What about the Roman Catholics who do it? jberryhill Nov 2018 #74

Did you miss this part of my post? jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #77

Reasoning Seems Stupid erpowers Nov 2018 #82

"How can someone say that Congress cannot make certain laws" jberryhill Nov 2018 #85

Do you ever feel like Sisyphus in some of these threads? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #109

Not even a legal rock, a civics rock. X_Digger Nov 2018 #121

.... tammywammy Nov 2018 #96

Have a look at the Tenth Amendment: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #108

The Constitution is a lot like the Bible bitterross Nov 2018 #111

There's a little more to it than that jberryhill Nov 2018 #115

Federal power is limited by tenth amendment Cicada Nov 2018 #127

WTF? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2018 #97

So it sounds like it is up to the states to make the laws treestar Nov 2018 #118

Exactly. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #122

Seems like a congressional overreach. X_Digger Nov 2018 #123

WTF liberal N proud Nov 2018 #126

FGM and a whole list of 'Federal Crimes' bloom Nov 2018 #129

That's extremely misleading jberryhill Nov 2018 #130