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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
64. There may just be some doubt about the motivation.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:47 PM
Dec 2018

You ask, "Who did the DNC attempt to prevent from debating and if so, what were the circumstances?"

I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what additional information you're looking for, beyond what I provided. I'll try rephrasing. The DNC (or, more precisely, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, acting without a vote of the full DNC) approved a small number of debates, which were thereby guaranteed to be the best-watched. The new rule she imposed in the 2015-16 cycle was that any candidate participating in any other debate would be barred from those "officially" approved debates. Thus, the candidate who were prevented from debating were, nominally, all of them, and the circumstances were that they were all effectively prevented from joining in additional debates in any other forum.

Now, I admit, the prevention was only nominal as to any candidate(s) who would not have wanted more debates, earlier debates, or debates held at more propitious times. Any such candidate was happy with the reduced schedule. There were, however, candidates who were not as widely known and who hoped to use the debates to bring their ideas to the attention of the Democratic primary voters. The unusually constricted schedule worked to their disadvantage.

If you want me to spell it out any more explicitly for you, you'll have to start a thread on Discussionist or some such place and send me a link.

Anyway, my bottom line, as per my previous post, is that the procedures just announced by the DNC are, IMO, an improvement over what happened last cycle. You didn't expressly address that point. If you don't join in my praise of the DNC on this score, that's certainly your right. DU is and should be open to people who offer constructive criticism of the DNC.

Great to see. No repeat of 2016 on this one. jalan48 Dec 2018 #1
No repeat of 2016? In 2016 (beginning in 2015) there were nine debates and 13 forums. Plus.... George II Dec 2018 #8
That's a 33% increase in the number of debates. Way to go Dems! jalan48 Dec 2018 #19
From 9 to 12. But it does gives one another chance to get in a slam on Dems for 2016, doesn't it? ehrnst Dec 2018 #41
Ah, reality. Sometimes one just wants to be like an ostrich and ignore it. jalan48 Dec 2018 #56
... ehrnst Dec 2018 #67
Here's lookin at ya... jalan48 Dec 2018 #70
"i know i am but what r U?" ehrnst Dec 2018 #71
Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #59
"Fetishists?" ehrnst Dec 2018 #66
I'd refer to proud Democrats as fetishists too... had I nothing of substance to offer. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #68
That was NOT the original plan JackRiddler Dec 2018 #76
Exactly. Good to see new leadership learned that lesson. JudyM Dec 2018 #10
What lesson? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2018 #28
My hope... phandancer917 Dec 2018 #2
Are you referring to MARTIN O'Malley? NurseJackie Dec 2018 #3
We'll never forget you, Michael O'Malley ! OnDoutside Dec 2018 #4
... NurseJackie Dec 2018 #5
Ah Michael, we hardly knew ye! George II Dec 2018 #6
Obviously it is Mike to his close friends, Martin to everyone else still_one Dec 2018 #12
LOL Gothmog Dec 2018 #25
O'Malley was invited to and participated in all of the debates prior to Jose Garcia Dec 2018 #7
because party, in concert with networks, elleng Dec 2018 #15
Yes. I'm sure that's it. Definitely. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #16
Isn't that true for all candidates? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2018 #30
I don't know whether or not the Party informed the moderators that elleng Dec 2018 #32
What happened re: Governor O'Malley? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2018 #34
The party determined he should receive only 3 minutes worth of time elleng Dec 2018 #36
Again- wasn't that true for all the candidates? ehrnst Dec 2018 #37
Unbelievable. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #45
I wish. elleng Dec 2018 #46
Looks like these things are determined at the network level, by journalists. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #47
Not seeing where "the Party" limited his questions. Source? ehrnst Dec 2018 #65
Personally I Don't Care To Profile Anyone Me. Dec 2018 #9
+1 Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #14
Well, the debates had a Jim, a Bernie, a Hillary, a Martin, Hortensis Dec 2018 #29
I had forgotten about Jim Webb SCantiGOP Dec 2018 #39
Yes, his aggrieved white males split between Hortensis Dec 2018 #53
Lawrence Lessig is the guy who wanted to debate Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #43
Is there any indication that candidates would be penalized for attending a "non-sanctioned" debate? brooklynite Dec 2018 #11
It says the DNC will ask candidates to only go to official debates, but Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #23
As long as they are registered Democrats who have filled the appropriate papers I have no problem still_one Dec 2018 #13
Totally! NurseJackie Dec 2018 #17
19 states have no party registration, including VT (and my state of MN). NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #24
Patrick Leahy is a Democrat. Gee, he has not problem with that LABEL, and neither do the still_one Dec 2018 #26
Was Ralph Nader seeking the Democratic nomination? NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #42
That was a misstatement on my part. Nader wanted to take part in the Presidential debates even still_one Dec 2018 #48
Thanks elleng Dec 2018 #33
Sp you are for people who WON'T join the Democratic party, running for the Democratic nomination still_one Dec 2018 #49
Fellow Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy has been a member of the Democratic Party since before.... George II Dec 2018 #40
Also George, those who want to run for the Democratic nomination have no problem joining the still_one Dec 2018 #50
Meanwhile, South Carolina's GOP SCantiGOP Dec 2018 #18
If that is what the republicans want, they deserve what they get. Their primaries also are winner still_one Dec 2018 #20
I don't think it's what they want SCantiGOP Dec 2018 #38
May the best candidate win left-of-center2012 Dec 2018 #21
What's the benefit in asking candidates to only participate in authorized debates? Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #22
We didn't win the WH because of the debates. still_one Dec 2018 #27
How so? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2018 #31
I believe the debates convince very little people who are not already true believers who they are still_one Dec 2018 #55
So how were the debates the "reason we lost?" (nt) ehrnst Dec 2018 #73
I believe you are reading my response out of context ehrnst. I was responding to the 2008 election still_one Dec 2018 #77
Were there any unauthorized debates (I seriously don't remember either way)? However.... George II Dec 2018 #54
That's the whole point. The DNC's coercive tactic succeeded. Jim Lane Dec 2018 #58
"Coercive"? BTW, during the period of the 2016 debates there were 13, over the same period... George II Dec 2018 #60
Very clever "no true Scotsman" argument. Jim Lane Dec 2018 #61
No doubt they started several months later because there was very little interest in 2008. George II Dec 2018 #62
There may just be some doubt about the motivation. Jim Lane Dec 2018 #64
Well stated, Jim. This was a major point of contention that alienated many voters. DNC is redeeming JudyM Dec 2018 #69
Looking forward to making up my mind. philly_bob Dec 2018 #35
I recuse myself from this discussion. Iggo Dec 2018 #44
Key word.... "Democrats" itsrobert Dec 2018 #51
Bernie Sanders fundraises for the DSCC and donates to it. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #75
Sanders hasn't contributed anything to the DSCC over the last two years. George II Dec 2018 #78
How about the last 12 years? NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #79
Nothing in 2015-2016 from either his Senate or Presidential Committees. George II Dec 2018 #80
Sounds good to me... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #52
Yes, the Democratic Party Debates.. Not 3rd party. Cha Dec 2018 #57
How is this going to work? jmowreader Dec 2018 #63
Twelve 2-night events. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #74
Whatever the debate format is, one thing is certain about the response to the plan: StevieM Dec 2018 #72
I dont know the answer... TJKatd Dec 2018 #81
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