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2. Exactly

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 03:32 PM

Jan 2012

The Scotland act does not devolve constitutional matter to Holyrood and as such it is for Westminster to decide if and when.

The SNP are being incredibly dishonest over this proposal. They know that they won't win right now and they want to tie the referndendum in with the anniversary of the battle of Bannockburn in an orgy of anti-English jingoism.

Plus the SNP can always indulge in some anti-Tory dogwhistle politics due to the mess the Tories made of Scottish issues when they were last in power.

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Scotland to hold independence poll in 2014 [View all] steaa Jan 2012 OP

Scotland cannot legally hold such a poll of its own volition dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #1

Exactly T_i_B Jan 2012 #2

Yeah, what a rotten dishonesty. Politicians want to win a referendum Fool Count Jan 2012 #22

If the case for Independence is so strong..... T_i_B Jan 2012 #42

Act-shmact, the referendum will be held in 2014, because that's what the Scottish Fool Count Jan 2012 #70

I wonder how you would like it.... T_i_B Jan 2012 #93

I wouldn't give a toss. I am Canadian. Fool Count Jan 2012 #95

Yes We Can Charlemagne Jan 2012 #3

About your sig line MattBaggins Jan 2012 #4

Not this American.. whathehell Jan 2012 #10

they did try Maine-ah Jan 2012 #21

Yup, so they're trying again -- Good for them whathehell Jan 2012 #41

And the Irish still don't have them kicked ALL the way out! nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #26

I know, but they appear to be farther along than Scotland. whathehell Jan 2012 #35

Wha the hell... Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2012 #32

Um, no. whathehell Jan 2012 #36

You'd be hard pressed to prove that assertion zipplewrath Jan 2012 #47

Not really...The point is, the demographics of California whathehell Jan 2012 #49

Spend a week in NYC, Iowa, and LA zipplewrath Jan 2012 #50

Please...I've already done that! whathehell Jan 2012 #52

For various values of "always" zipplewrath Jan 2012 #54

Limitations on "always" are not limited to the United States or anywhere else, as a matter of fact. whathehell Jan 2012 #58

I agree zipplewrath Jan 2012 #61

........ whathehell Jan 2012 #72

I said at the outset zipplewrath Jan 2012 #77

Whatever, Zip. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #78

do you have a source for the generational progressions of language aquisition? arely staircase Jan 2012 #86

Nah zipplewrath Jan 2012 #96

Hence the lack of any substantial cultural difference between the Northern states and the Southern s LanternWaste Jan 2012 #63

It depends on your view of "substantial" whathehell Jan 2012 #74

Note that our former Prime Minister Brown is Scottish LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #80

I never said there was some huge "discrimination" being foisted on the Scots. whathehell Jan 2012 #83

A better analogy would be Hawai'i KamaAina Jan 2012 #67

No; that's a really bad analogy muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #68

The Scots are the Brits. harmonicon Jan 2012 #57

Apparently, they don't agree. whathehell Jan 2012 #59

Huh? No, I'm pretty sure all parties involved understand historical fact. harmonicon Jan 2012 #60

Perhaps, but they seem to interpret them differently whathehell Jan 2012 #73

and whether they will remain so after 2014 is precisely what the referendum will decide arely staircase Jan 2012 #87

I wouldn't count on it. n/t Agent William Jan 2012 #89

That has nothing to do with what I was posting about. harmonicon Jan 2012 #90

Not sure why this is a threat to London dmallind Jan 2012 #5

+1 Charlemagne Jan 2012 #7

You are exactly right about the American south... Glorfindel Jan 2012 #9

But I'm not sure "the American South" vs. the American North" is really analagous whathehell Jan 2012 #12

There was no 'colonization' muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #14

Okay, but the bribery of the Scottish politicians whathehell Jan 2012 #15

No, not like the plantation of Ulster muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #20

Okay, great whathehell Jan 2012 #34

No problem if they do want independence muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #45

Well, it's an interesting situation. whathehell Jan 2012 #46

The Mel Gibson movie was a highly fictionalized version of an old conflict, not the present. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #30

Really?.....Apparently the Scots related to it...I understand when it premiered whathehell Jan 2012 #39

More like "conquest and co-optation", then. whathehell Jan 2012 #51

Union came before Plymouth Rock did - and the Scottish king took over England, not vice versa dmallind Jan 2012 #18

Absolutely. And the royal lineage after Elizabeth I to the present is from Mary, a Scot. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #29

Yeah, with more than a bit of German in there as well, I understand, but the point is whathehell Jan 2012 #37

Well aware of that, but what does "Plymouth Rock" have to do with the UK at this point? whathehell Jan 2012 #38

As a NYer I am about at my wits end MattBaggins Jan 2012 #24

Yeah online games can be crazy in the differing politics mashed together. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #65

The Scotts may have other considerations beside the net revenue flow, Fool Count Jan 2012 #23

Just one thing, in reference whathehell Jan 2012 #48

Good. nt bemildred Jan 2012 #6

Welcome news Voltaire Jan 2012 #8

Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence? MicaelS Jan 2012 #56

It would be interesting to see the results. I love Scotland's history but don't want to see much of jwirr Jan 2012 #11

Related Issue: Northern Ireland approaching Catholic majority JaneQPublic Jan 2012 #13

They need to give it back. They stole it, and they're being "fucked" out of MADem Jan 2012 #17

that's because every sperm is sacred..lol Boudica the Lyoness Jan 2012 #33

Agreed. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #43

I disagree with you analysis. Charlemagne Jan 2012 #53

You are free to so do. nt MADem Jan 2012 #55

....and that would be even more beneficial financially. dmallind Jan 2012 #19

This could get interesting! nt MADem Jan 2012 #16

Presumably if they say goodbye to the UK dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #25

One major question... T_i_B Jan 2012 #44

Not just the Euro but the EU too ikri Jan 2012 #62

And then there's the nationalised Scottish banks T_i_B Jan 2012 #75

England to ask nicely for independence from Scotland dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #27

Thanks for the laugh. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #31

If the Scots leave there's never going to be another Labour government. craigmatic Jan 2012 #28

The Tories are actually well aware of this... T_i_B Jan 2012 #40

FRRREEEEEEEDOOOOM!!!!!! Sorry I had to say it. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2012 #64

You weren't the only one thinking that... Hugabear Jan 2012 #66

The irony is that 'Wallace' probably means his family were recent migrants to Scotland muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #71

a dancing ultra man? Charlemagne Jan 2012 #69

As a Scot, (may be the only one here) I feel the need to include my input MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #76

Thanks for your much needed input, Michael. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #79

Precisely WHY do the Scots want Independence? MicaelS Jan 2012 #82

Put simply, because many of them don't like the English T_i_B Jan 2012 #91

Assuming this passes and Scotland does become independent DavidDvorkin Jan 2012 #81

"A more powerful central government"? MicaelS Jan 2012 #84

I'm not saying it's good or bad, only that I think it would be a result DavidDvorkin Jan 2012 #85

The EU is dominated by Germany and France T_i_B Jan 2012 #92

Indeed, and that's why DavidDvorkin Jan 2012 #94

Scotland should have independence. ozone_man Jan 2012 #88

Scottish independence: Wales and Northern Ireland make unity plea muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #97

You shall obey your English masters, knaves!! tabasco Jan 2012 #98