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When governments start meddling with religious customs, it seldom turns out well. sandensea Jan 2019 #1
It is when church starts meddling into government affairs that scares me. spike jones Jan 2019 #15
Well said. sandensea Jan 2019 #16
Hear here! nt TwistOneUp Jan 2019 #31
If the church reflects the will of a large segment of the population Igel Jan 2019 #33
What the majority wants isn't always good. Oneironaut Jan 2019 #60
During the Spanish Inquisition, the Roman Catholic Church represented the majority of people... Hekate Jan 2019 #76
A Totally unnecessary law bitterross Jan 2019 #2
We have the same laws here, it's just that exceptions are carved out to accommodate superstition Major Nikon Jan 2019 #17
Tperhaps not killing the animal would make still_one Jan 2019 #40
A false dilemma is a contradiction in logic by definition Major Nikon Jan 2019 #44
I have no idea what PETA's logic is. still_one Jan 2019 #50
I just told you Major Nikon Jan 2019 #53
That clarifies it. No, I don't buy that logic either. My point was not making a value still_one Jan 2019 #63
Several veterinary organizations disagree Major Nikon Jan 2019 #84
Well, all animal products are a result of cruelty BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #65
... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #88
Wikipedia lol BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #103
Welcome to DU Major Nikon Jan 2019 #105
You have no argument BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #106
You stole my line! Major Nikon Jan 2019 #107
Can you please give me some examples BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #108
LOL! Major Nikon Jan 2019 #109
Aw cmon BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #110
Say please to someone else, please Major Nikon Jan 2019 #111
Exploitation is cruelty BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #112
This is designed to tell the Jews and Muslims to go to hell. Beakybird Jan 2019 #3
Yes it is. It has nothing to do with "animal rights." Hekate Jan 2019 #80
decent treatment of animals is more important than old rituals kiri Jan 2019 #4
I have to agree. Ligyron Jan 2019 #5
So, are you a vegan? Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #6
You don't have to be vegan to be against needless suffering during slaughter Major Nikon Jan 2019 #19
Why the last 2 words? Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #34
Relevance Major Nikon Jan 2019 #37
Appears to be two wholly separate concepts, neither directly predicated upon the other. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #46
Nor do kosher methods necessarily require needless suffering. moriah Jan 2019 #49
So why are they opposing the law? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #54
I highly doubt Grandin would support a law outright banning kosher/halal slaughter practices. moriah Jan 2019 #57
Nobody does except for the creme-de-la-dum Nazis Major Nikon Jan 2019 #59
How about the other way around? In the US our average supermarket beef & chicken is so contaminated Hekate Jan 2019 #79
I don't know what you're talking about Major Nikon Jan 2019 #82
Thank you. I respect Temple Grandin a great deal. nt Hekate Jan 2019 #78
This has nothing to do with animal rights/treatment. It's just bigotry. NutmegYankee Jan 2019 #9
The reverse is closer to being true Major Nikon Jan 2019 #18
Halal slaughter allows some stunning methods jmowreader Jan 2019 #32
Not all of them believe that Major Nikon Jan 2019 #38
Does this stunning invlove no pain? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #47
Intolerance does not mean what you think it means Major Nikon Jan 2019 #56
Yes, the "when it applies to everyone" argument. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #72
If you are going to be that disingenuous, I have no interest in discussing this with you Major Nikon Jan 2019 #81
The knife has to be so sharp that no blood gets on it? progressoid Jan 2019 #28
Have you ever seen it done? Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #30
I have DavidDvorkin Jan 2019 #39
Electrocution, clubbing, and other methods are commonly used. still_one Jan 2019 #41
+1 n/t Devil Child Jan 2019 #29
Here is a more balanced discussion of the subject still_one Jan 2019 #43
Do you have any idea what the difference is between modern mechanized animal slaughter and ... Hekate Jan 2019 #77
Now you can't say that anymore Major Nikon Jan 2019 #92
"Promoted both by animal advocates and right-wing nationalists" ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #7
Indeed MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #51
Not surprising. EllieBC Jan 2019 #55
Haven't we all got bigger fish to fry? Why all of a sudden is this a problem? YOHABLO Jan 2019 #8
"Haven't we all got bigger fish to fry?" EX500rider Jan 2019 #22
I shop at a halal market. rusty quoin Jan 2019 #10
Thank you. I've been very unhappy with the marybourg Jan 2019 #11
How much does a halal chicken (3-1/2 lbs) cost? Poor folks don't have that luxury. YOHABLO Jan 2019 #12
I'm not Jewish or Muslim and have only ever bought twice (both times while in Europe) rpannier Jan 2019 #14
Good, such butchering is cruel. Invisible sky fairies shouldn't demand cruelty. n/t Coventina Jan 2019 #13
One can have an honest debate about what is or isn't appropriate treatment of animals, but RockRaven Jan 2019 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Dopers_Greed Jan 2019 #21
Do they want to start another war? LittleGirl Jan 2019 #23
What war did Belgium start? n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #24
I mean that LittleGirl Jan 2019 #25
Animal right activists were behind the law, so I doubt they are pissed off. n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #26
Belgium is on the leading edge of this, but I guarantee more of Europe will follow Major Nikon Jan 2019 #58
It's already banned in Denmark, Sweden, Norway and parts of Switzerland muriel_volestrangler Jan 2019 #64
Not passing a law against animal cruelty because it might "piss" someone off is silly. EX500rider Jan 2019 #67
I always order kosher when I fly tirebiter Jan 2019 #27
Me, too MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #52
This might sound strange BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #66
Well MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #68
You sound a bit silly but that's ok, we can work with that. BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #69
I can hear the brocolli screaming! MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #70
Another silly argument BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #71
Well, they'll only stop MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #73
Win! Quackers Jan 2019 #102
Oh you and your silliness BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #104
What is your opinion on Rubaskin The Truth Is Here Jan 2019 #74
Mixed MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #85
Ah! I have a few "lapsed" Lubavitcher friends. The Truth Is Here Jan 2019 #89
Rebbe Zalman or Rebbe Aaron? EllieBC Jan 2019 #93
Well, I'm not lapsed MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #94
I will have to take a look at the series. thank you! The Truth Is Here Jan 2019 #96
Question Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #35
Depends really angrychair Jan 2019 #36
Thank you Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #45
Before switching majors I studied meat production. GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #62
Yes, I've seen video of pigs in the slaughterhouse and LuvNewcastle Jan 2019 #113
Caving to superstition never turns out well.n/t. Scruffy1 Jan 2019 #42
Good riddance to every vestige of sky fairy rituals The Mouth Jan 2019 #48
"Right-wing politicians across Europe have been promoting bans on halal and kosher slaughtering pampango Jan 2019 #61
So right wing nationalists want to ban animal processing methods that are healthier for humans... Hekate Jan 2019 #75
Did you miss the part where it is supported by animal activist groups in Belgium also? n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #83
Animal rights activists are apparently willing to ally with the Devil himself... Hekate Jan 2019 #86
If animal activists think it is wrong, they probably don't care who else does. EX500rider Jan 2019 #87
Right wing nationalists? That stink isn't going to wash off. If you can't smell it ... Hekate Jan 2019 #90
So if RW Nationalists are anti-child abuse I should be for it? n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #95
Nice deflection. If Nazis say they are against child abuse, I look elsewhere for my support... Hekate Jan 2019 #97
Kind of hard to limit support for a law to just people you agree with. n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #98
Don't be disingenuous Hekate Jan 2019 #99
I am not. If a animal rights group supports a law they zero control over who else does. n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #100
If I am working for the local Rape Crisis Center and the local branch of the KKK announces ... Hekate Jan 2019 #101
Neither should anyone else Major Nikon Jan 2019 #91
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