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BeneathTheMire

(76 posts)
69. You sound a bit silly but that's ok, we can work with that.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 04:57 PM
Jan 2019

Humans need plants in order to live. Plants can't really "want" anything because they lack a central nervous system. (sure they can respond to a stimulus but they feel no pain). Many plants and fruits need to be eaten in order to grow more fruits and plants. So if a plant could want, they would indeed want to be harvested for the sake of their continued offspring.

When governments start meddling with religious customs, it seldom turns out well. sandensea Jan 2019 #1
It is when church starts meddling into government affairs that scares me. spike jones Jan 2019 #15
Well said. sandensea Jan 2019 #16
Hear here! nt TwistOneUp Jan 2019 #31
If the church reflects the will of a large segment of the population Igel Jan 2019 #33
What the majority wants isn't always good. Oneironaut Jan 2019 #60
During the Spanish Inquisition, the Roman Catholic Church represented the majority of people... Hekate Jan 2019 #76
A Totally unnecessary law bitterross Jan 2019 #2
We have the same laws here, it's just that exceptions are carved out to accommodate superstition Major Nikon Jan 2019 #17
Tperhaps not killing the animal would make still_one Jan 2019 #40
A false dilemma is a contradiction in logic by definition Major Nikon Jan 2019 #44
I have no idea what PETA's logic is. still_one Jan 2019 #50
I just told you Major Nikon Jan 2019 #53
That clarifies it. No, I don't buy that logic either. My point was not making a value still_one Jan 2019 #63
Several veterinary organizations disagree Major Nikon Jan 2019 #84
Well, all animal products are a result of cruelty BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #65
... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #88
Wikipedia lol BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #103
Welcome to DU Major Nikon Jan 2019 #105
You have no argument BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #106
You stole my line! Major Nikon Jan 2019 #107
Can you please give me some examples BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #108
LOL! Major Nikon Jan 2019 #109
Aw cmon BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #110
Say please to someone else, please Major Nikon Jan 2019 #111
Exploitation is cruelty BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #112
This is designed to tell the Jews and Muslims to go to hell. Beakybird Jan 2019 #3
Yes it is. It has nothing to do with "animal rights." Hekate Jan 2019 #80
decent treatment of animals is more important than old rituals kiri Jan 2019 #4
I have to agree. Ligyron Jan 2019 #5
So, are you a vegan? Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #6
You don't have to be vegan to be against needless suffering during slaughter Major Nikon Jan 2019 #19
Why the last 2 words? Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #34
Relevance Major Nikon Jan 2019 #37
Appears to be two wholly separate concepts, neither directly predicated upon the other. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #46
Nor do kosher methods necessarily require needless suffering. moriah Jan 2019 #49
So why are they opposing the law? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #54
I highly doubt Grandin would support a law outright banning kosher/halal slaughter practices. moriah Jan 2019 #57
Nobody does except for the creme-de-la-dum Nazis Major Nikon Jan 2019 #59
How about the other way around? In the US our average supermarket beef & chicken is so contaminated Hekate Jan 2019 #79
I don't know what you're talking about Major Nikon Jan 2019 #82
Thank you. I respect Temple Grandin a great deal. nt Hekate Jan 2019 #78
This has nothing to do with animal rights/treatment. It's just bigotry. NutmegYankee Jan 2019 #9
The reverse is closer to being true Major Nikon Jan 2019 #18
Halal slaughter allows some stunning methods jmowreader Jan 2019 #32
Not all of them believe that Major Nikon Jan 2019 #38
Does this stunning invlove no pain? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #47
Intolerance does not mean what you think it means Major Nikon Jan 2019 #56
Yes, the "when it applies to everyone" argument. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #72
If you are going to be that disingenuous, I have no interest in discussing this with you Major Nikon Jan 2019 #81
The knife has to be so sharp that no blood gets on it? progressoid Jan 2019 #28
Have you ever seen it done? Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #30
I have DavidDvorkin Jan 2019 #39
Electrocution, clubbing, and other methods are commonly used. still_one Jan 2019 #41
+1 n/t Devil Child Jan 2019 #29
Here is a more balanced discussion of the subject still_one Jan 2019 #43
Do you have any idea what the difference is between modern mechanized animal slaughter and ... Hekate Jan 2019 #77
Now you can't say that anymore Major Nikon Jan 2019 #92
"Promoted both by animal advocates and right-wing nationalists" ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #7
Indeed MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #51
Not surprising. EllieBC Jan 2019 #55
Haven't we all got bigger fish to fry? Why all of a sudden is this a problem? YOHABLO Jan 2019 #8
"Haven't we all got bigger fish to fry?" EX500rider Jan 2019 #22
I shop at a halal market. rusty quoin Jan 2019 #10
Thank you. I've been very unhappy with the marybourg Jan 2019 #11
How much does a halal chicken (3-1/2 lbs) cost? Poor folks don't have that luxury. YOHABLO Jan 2019 #12
I'm not Jewish or Muslim and have only ever bought twice (both times while in Europe) rpannier Jan 2019 #14
Good, such butchering is cruel. Invisible sky fairies shouldn't demand cruelty. n/t Coventina Jan 2019 #13
One can have an honest debate about what is or isn't appropriate treatment of animals, but RockRaven Jan 2019 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Dopers_Greed Jan 2019 #21
Do they want to start another war? LittleGirl Jan 2019 #23
What war did Belgium start? n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #24
I mean that LittleGirl Jan 2019 #25
Animal right activists were behind the law, so I doubt they are pissed off. n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #26
Belgium is on the leading edge of this, but I guarantee more of Europe will follow Major Nikon Jan 2019 #58
It's already banned in Denmark, Sweden, Norway and parts of Switzerland muriel_volestrangler Jan 2019 #64
Not passing a law against animal cruelty because it might "piss" someone off is silly. EX500rider Jan 2019 #67
I always order kosher when I fly tirebiter Jan 2019 #27
Me, too MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #52
This might sound strange BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #66
Well MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #68
You sound a bit silly but that's ok, we can work with that. BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #69
I can hear the brocolli screaming! MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #70
Another silly argument BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #71
Well, they'll only stop MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #73
Win! Quackers Jan 2019 #102
Oh you and your silliness BeneathTheMire Jan 2019 #104
What is your opinion on Rubaskin The Truth Is Here Jan 2019 #74
Mixed MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #85
Ah! I have a few "lapsed" Lubavitcher friends. The Truth Is Here Jan 2019 #89
Rebbe Zalman or Rebbe Aaron? EllieBC Jan 2019 #93
Well, I'm not lapsed MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #94
I will have to take a look at the series. thank you! The Truth Is Here Jan 2019 #96
Question Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #35
Depends really angrychair Jan 2019 #36
Thank you Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #45
Before switching majors I studied meat production. GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #62
Yes, I've seen video of pigs in the slaughterhouse and LuvNewcastle Jan 2019 #113
Caving to superstition never turns out well.n/t. Scruffy1 Jan 2019 #42
Good riddance to every vestige of sky fairy rituals The Mouth Jan 2019 #48
"Right-wing politicians across Europe have been promoting bans on halal and kosher slaughtering pampango Jan 2019 #61
So right wing nationalists want to ban animal processing methods that are healthier for humans... Hekate Jan 2019 #75
Did you miss the part where it is supported by animal activist groups in Belgium also? n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #83
Animal rights activists are apparently willing to ally with the Devil himself... Hekate Jan 2019 #86
If animal activists think it is wrong, they probably don't care who else does. EX500rider Jan 2019 #87
Right wing nationalists? That stink isn't going to wash off. If you can't smell it ... Hekate Jan 2019 #90
So if RW Nationalists are anti-child abuse I should be for it? n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #95
Nice deflection. If Nazis say they are against child abuse, I look elsewhere for my support... Hekate Jan 2019 #97
Kind of hard to limit support for a law to just people you agree with. n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #98
Don't be disingenuous Hekate Jan 2019 #99
I am not. If a animal rights group supports a law they zero control over who else does. n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #100
If I am working for the local Rape Crisis Center and the local branch of the KKK announces ... Hekate Jan 2019 #101
Neither should anyone else Major Nikon Jan 2019 #91
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