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GulfCoast66

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24. Or, better yet, make every employer pay for every employee
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:18 PM
Feb 2019

And raise taxes in a progressive for the government under the ACA to provide insurance for those who are self employed or unemployable.

The one fact never heard from Medicare for all proponents is how much money will have to be collected by the federal government to pay for it. We read tons of articles about how much it will save. Just my employer...they provide good healthcare for over 70,000 people here in Florida. At around 5k per person. Even if we reduce cost by 30-40%, what mechanism is going to provide that level of funding to the federal government? And that is just one company.

I say use the ACA to get a system like France.

But we all need to realize that in the end our goal is the same, affordable Universal Healthcare as a right. Not a privilege. When we debate the method of achieving that we are debating among allies, not enemies.

I get concerned with all the post I am seeing alluding to the fact that real democrats support Medicare for all. And if you don’t you somehow aren’t a good democrat. Especially since up till now Medicare for all has been more a rallying cry than a spelled out policy.


The only pig at the trough that doesn't actually contribute to healthcare outcomes is the insurers pecosbob Feb 2019 #1
No shit!!! It seems like every discussion about the high potential healthcare costs... Raster Feb 2019 #32
The Dems need to stand behind area51 Feb 2019 #2
Medicare for all is way cheaper than private insurance supplemented by emergency room visits tclambert Feb 2019 #3
I won't vote for anyone who doesn't want medicare for all Puppyjive Feb 2019 #4
I'm 70; I have a Medicare subliminal handled by an insurance co. Magoo48 Feb 2019 #14
Dems need to step up. Single-payer zentrum Feb 2019 #5
I don't why anyone here believes anything that the Intercept, Glenn Greenwald's baby, reports on. pnwmom Feb 2019 #6
Medicare for all is the hill we will die on if we go down that road. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #7
If you take the employer out of the game.... Hotler Feb 2019 #21
Or, better yet, make every employer pay for every employee GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #24
I agree with an incremental approach Freddie Feb 2019 #31
" If there was such a meeting " ? YOHABLO Feb 2019 #8
The ony way Medicare for All could be realistically implemented in the USA would be to No Vested Interest Feb 2019 #9
I agree that it will need to be phased in Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #10
Phasing in gives the insurance industry time to dig their corrupt fingers into new flesh. Magoo48 Feb 2019 #11
Simple ouija Feb 2019 #12
And what do you tell the people working in those jobs? Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #13
Whose unprotected health needs do you trade for their job security? Magoo48 Feb 2019 #15
Whose jobs do you trade Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #20
And make all electric utilities go back to coal so the miners can get back their jobs. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #16
Exactly -- industry evolves. It's a cornerstone of capitalism. Auggie Feb 2019 #18
A whole bureaucracy will need to be created to administer single-payer. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #22
I was thinking along these lines myself. Magoo48 Feb 2019 #36
So make insurance companies nonprofit. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #25
Sounds like a sensible and practical approach at140 Feb 2019 #26
Actuallly Apollyonus Feb 2019 #38
I doubt that cost-effectiveness is the point of having Medicare for all. No Vested Interest Feb 2019 #44
The cost is important Apollyonus Feb 2019 #45
Which other programs currently provide health care to children (by insurance or other means)? No Vested Interest Feb 2019 #48
Employer provided insurance Apollyonus Feb 2019 #49
My wife and I and 1/3 of the people are on one payer. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #17
VA is a good model for a single-payer system. Unless Trump dissolves it. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #23
My father-in-law who served in WWII was on VA care for decades. at140 Feb 2019 #28
My Mother was not diagnosed with cancer under Blue Cross of MA. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #35
Of course individual doctor is the key to health at140 Feb 2019 #39
Veterans have had Choice Plus for some years. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #40
This is what's wrong with democrats today. GlennRuss Feb 2019 #19
Yet Bernie is not brave enough to simply discuss the costs R B Garr Feb 2019 #27
Ok GlennRuss Feb 2019 #33
If he is blaming Democrats for something he can't get R B Garr Feb 2019 #42
It being cost prohibitive can be argued. It was never implemented. CentralMass Feb 2019 #34
LOL, no excuses. The man's own words that he was forced R B Garr Feb 2019 #43
Excuses ? There were no excuses in either link. CentralMass Feb 2019 #46
All excuses, even in the titles. Keep in mind the subthread R B Garr Feb 2019 #47
Are you suggesting that there is nothing at all wrong, questionable, noteworthy, or flawed Magoo48 Feb 2019 #37
Insert Bernie's name in all your queries. R B Garr Feb 2019 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #29
Welcome to DU. area51 Feb 2019 #30
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