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In reply to the discussion: New York Has Prepared Paul Manafort Charges If Trump Pardons Him [View all]ancianita
(36,017 posts)34. Weren't we talking about Gamble v The United States a while back? Isn't it on SCOTUS' docket?
Aren't we overlooking that SCOTUS is about to hear Gamble v The United States, which challenges the dual-sovereignty settled law?
The day after Justice Kennedy's retirement, SCOTUS decided to hear the case, and Orrin Hatch submitted a 44-page amicus brief on the case.
If the dual-sovereignty doctrine were tossed by SCOTUS, as Orrin Hatch wants, then Trumps pardon could theoretically protect Manafort from state action.
Again, If Hatch gets his way ... a federal pardon would essentially block a subsequent state-level prosecution.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/trump-pardon-orrin-hatch-supreme-court/571285/
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Julian Englis
Feb 2019
OP
I should have asked more clearly: How does Vance avoid being blocked by that NYS law?
lagomorph777
Feb 2019
#9
That's not exactly true. If it were the issue with the New York law would never have come up. n/t
PoliticAverse
Feb 2019
#18
Very good! (1) Cooperate with Mueller on prosecutions (2) Distinguish State from Federal crimes
lagomorph777
Feb 2019
#24
One way could be to charge him with crimes that the feds declined to pursue as
cstanleytech
Feb 2019
#26
New York is one of few states that consider federal charges when protecting the defendant against..
Hassin Bin Sober
Feb 2019
#10
Charge Manafort with a different crime. Note that federal tax evasion and state tax evasion are
PoliticAverse
Feb 2019
#20
Cyrus Vance let Junior & Ivanka skate after getting a campaign contribution, also Harvey Weinstein,
RockRaven
Feb 2019
#3
They were discussing this on Bloomberg this morning indicating that NY has to proceed carefully to
still_one
Feb 2019
#6
It wasn't click bait, it was on Bloomberg network, and he wasn't trying to create a "horse race".
still_one
Feb 2019
#15
But Trump can only pardon federal crimes whether or not the person was actually charged.
Cold War Spook
Feb 2019
#25
NYS's own constitution forbids double jeopardy prosecutions for the same federal and state crime..
Princess Turandot
Feb 2019
#30
Of course no one talks about how inappropriate a presidential pardon is for these crimes
elias7
Feb 2019
#16
Plus, Mueller had him admit to crimes not charged, which are also state crimes.
tableturner
Feb 2019
#27