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FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
34. Not quite
Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:29 AM
Apr 2019

A - I don't think that's correct. Nixon released his taxes, but that wasn't the result of this process. It was voluntary.

Well... "voluntary" like getting teeth pulled. But you may remember that a number of people have pointed out that Nixon released his taxes even though he was under audit at the time (in response to Trump's wild assertion that he can't release them while he's under audit).

B - I'm well aware of the "stated goal" used to justify the request. I'm asking why you think they want them. Clearly they wouldn't need to see actual returns in order to get testimony from Treasury regarding their process.

the Courts have stated they will not second guess Congres

Whoa... that's not what the courts have said at all. In fact, the first ruling that he cites (Watkins v. US) very definitely second-guessed Congress. What the courts actually said is that they can't question Congress' motivations if they are acting in furtherance of their constitutional powers.

And that's the open question. It's useful to note that this very same question came up in court with regard to Trump's "Muslim ban". Clearly the law allows the president to make such moves in general. The courts, however, ruled that his campaign statements about banning all Muslims were what drove his decisions, not an actual review of threats to the country (etc.). Yes, SCOTUS eventually ruled the other way, but only after the original policy was replaced with a new one that followed a more appropriate process. It's also worth noting that most here disagreed with that ruling even after the change.

This is why the chairman's letter is so carefully worded. We won't know whether it will work until the courts weigh in.
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That's not following the law... C_U_L8R Apr 2019 #1
None of them can atreides1 Apr 2019 #7
I will follow the law.......as long as Big Daddy Trump lets me......lol Thomas Hurt Apr 2019 #2
I just analyzed the law. Took me about 10 minutes... SKKY Apr 2019 #3
Unfortunately, it isn't clear at all FBaggins Apr 2019 #6
I have a 35 MPH speed limit past my house, watoos Apr 2019 #9
Sorry... that won't fly FBaggins Apr 2019 #13
To see if our president is financially beholden to entities in other countries WhoWoodaKnew Apr 2019 #28
That's what I figured as well FBaggins Apr 2019 #31
You can "challenge" any law flyingfysh Apr 2019 #12
Untrue. See #13 above. FBaggins Apr 2019 #14
I don't think that example is on point... reACTIONary Apr 2019 #23
Tax returns are public records, and as such, reACTIONary Apr 2019 #22
They are most certainly NOT public records FBaggins Apr 2019 #32
An 'abortion advocate' ? stopwastingmymoney Apr 2019 #33
Excellent point FBaggins Apr 2019 #35
You are right, they are not "public" records, they are... reACTIONary Apr 2019 #37
RE The right to privacy reACTIONary Apr 2019 #38
That's not the only case related to privacy/abortion FBaggins Apr 2019 #39
EPIC vs IRS is not on point.... reACTIONary Apr 2019 #40
Now we've come full circle FBaggins Apr 2019 #41
Since the purpose of the legislation... reACTIONary Apr 2019 #42
Oh, is there another definition of "shall" Clarity2 Apr 2019 #4
The law says....HAND THEM OVER, Steve...... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #5
Lock him up Gothmog Apr 2019 #8
THIS!!! Zoonart Apr 2019 #27
A wise Greek philosopher once said, watoos Apr 2019 #10
+1,000,000 This - although I don't consider impeachment a "desperate" measure; it should diva77 Apr 2019 #11
They're Trying To Invalidate The Law DallasNE Apr 2019 #15
Mostly correct FBaggins Apr 2019 #16
The Law In Question Was Written In 1924 DallasNE Apr 2019 #19
Correct, but it has never been challenged FBaggins Apr 2019 #20
Here Is An Article That Answers Some Of Your Questions DallasNE Apr 2019 #24
Not quite FBaggins Apr 2019 #34
Thanks for posting those, nt stopwastingmymoney Apr 2019 #36
Spoiler: forgotmylogin Apr 2019 #17
I hope to see Munckin duforsure Apr 2019 #18
In other words: "We know the law requires me turn the forms over, I will delay it short of ... marble falls Apr 2019 #21
Pondering 'shall'. Mc Mike Apr 2019 #25
Desperately seeking a way shanny Apr 2019 #26
Translation: "Okay, let's read it for the 17th time. Maybe we overlooked a loop-hole." DetlefK Apr 2019 #29
Analyze S-H-A-L-L dalton99a Apr 2019 #30
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