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30. Nadler's theory: Neil Sheehan meeting Ellsberg to get Pentagon Papers was criminal
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:42 PM
Apr 2019

If Neil Sheehan of the New York Times had encouraged Ellsberg to steal Pentagon papers then he would be guilty. But simply meeting Ellsberg to get the stolen papers is not a crime. How is Don Jr different from Neil Sheehan? I think Mueller knows the law better than Nadler does. The first amendment, which protects the right of the public to learn about candidates for public office, blocks prosecution of Don Jr. for trying to get information about Clinton. If Clinton agreed to meet Steele to get information about Trump stolen from Russian files would she too be a criminal? No. Mueller knows what is legal and what is protected by the first amendment.

I don't understand this either. I find it to be cowardly MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #1
Whatever happened to "ignorance of the law is no defense"? Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #2
Campaign finance law violations are specific intent crimes. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #3
But he didn't even investigate it. He didn't interview Don Jr. under oath... PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #5
Maybe that's a question that a House committee member could ask. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #8
You can determine intent by their actions, such as LYING about it. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #44
So if there had actually been some dirt and they paid for it then it madville Apr 2019 #21
"ignorance of the law is no defense"?... only applies if you are 'rich.' pangaia Apr 2019 #12
"ignorance of the law is no defense" LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #40
"Ignorance of the law is no defense" is something said by those who have not been to law school. former9thward Apr 2019 #57
Well, then a lot folks here need to appolgize to Glenn Greenwald LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #61
No Democrat in any position to do anything about it... TwilightZone Apr 2019 #62
lol. What has he lied about? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #64
No way in the world Paul Manafort didn't know it was illegal ElementaryPenguin Apr 2019 #63
I don't KNOW why, but here is a possible reason: if he'd indicted DT Jr, his daddy would have Atticus Apr 2019 #4
Is it also possible that a state prosecutor can take action, perhaps? Jedi Guy Apr 2019 #19
Everyone except Cohen is getting a pardon before he leaves office madville Apr 2019 #22
I think it probably is because of the reason Mueller stated. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #24
My understanding is THEY'RE ALL REPUBLICANS! blueinredohio Apr 2019 #6
B-I-N-G-O! n/t mazzarro Apr 2019 #35
"Couldn't prove they willfully intended to to commit a crime" ThoughtCriminal Apr 2019 #7
Did they lie because they knew they'd committed a crime or because The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #10
/This/ at140 Apr 2019 #16
And, on top of that, Igel Apr 2019 #51
Nadler sure as hell better subpoena Jr. Jared and Ivanka Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #9
MY FEELING AS WELL.. pangaia Apr 2019 #13
or a Stepford wife! at140 Apr 2019 #15
Might he not have simply passed it on to someone else to investigate? cstanleytech Apr 2019 #11
Well, there are 12 redacted cases, so who knows? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #17
Do you believe Mueller said he wasn't going to prosecute this hughee99 Apr 2019 #45
I'm curious about that, as well. Jedi Guy Apr 2019 #20
I'll betcha 3$ he did just that, tech!! Also, when I see jr mentioned, I always post this!: Leghorn21 Apr 2019 #27
That makes two of us. BlueStater Apr 2019 #14
Well, neither do I. Was Mueller too lazy to do the heavy lifting? jrthin Apr 2019 #18
I think that's a concern. It was a big job presumably near the end of his career. Hoyt Apr 2019 #29
Look, Mueller is no dummy. Had he indicted Jr, Jared or Ivanka, pardons would have... machoneman Apr 2019 #23
He lied to congress - that's perjury Jarqui Apr 2019 #25
Did anyone in Congress send Mueller a referal about Trump Jr. lying to Congress? Kaleva Apr 2019 #33
Because Barr emulatorloo Apr 2019 #26
We need answers sooner rather than later SHRED Apr 2019 #28
Nadler's theory: Neil Sheehan meeting Ellsberg to get Pentagon Papers was criminal Cicada Apr 2019 #30
Oh, please. The Steele Dossier was originally repug oppo research against trump... brush Apr 2019 #32
Hillary getting dirt from Steele was legal, same with Don Jr. Cicada Apr 2019 #34
Did you not get that the repugs were the ones who first hired Steele. brush Apr 2019 #41
No. Steele wasn't hired by Fusion GPS until after the Dems hughee99 Apr 2019 #46
I repeat, the Steele Dossier was a repug oppo operation against trump. brush Apr 2019 #47
"Did you not get that the repugs were the ones who first hired Steele." hughee99 Apr 2019 #48
"...after the repugs stopped funding the work." brush Apr 2019 #49
Do you? YOU said the republicans first hired Steele. hughee99 Apr 2019 #50
OK, I get it. The concept of repugs paying and hiring are different things to you. brush Apr 2019 #52
Ah, I get it, when you said the repukes first hired Steele, hughee99 Apr 2019 #53
I'll try to remember. Hiring and funding are totally different things. brush Apr 2019 #54
I'll try to remember, you are responsible for what a company does even after you're no longer hughee99 Apr 2019 #55
Whatever. The repugs are who begin paying for the Steele Dossier. brush Apr 2019 #56
Yes, there is information in the Dossier that the republicans paid for. hughee99 Apr 2019 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author pecosbob Apr 2019 #31
People that made billons of dollors... Maxheader Apr 2019 #36
Yes! They are the real puppet masters at140 Apr 2019 #39
This is Exhibit B in my animus for Mueller. lark Apr 2019 #37
It's so disappointingly disturbing. n/t sprinkleeninow Apr 2019 #59
Don't forget the SCO noted witnesses lied or invoked their DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #38
take a wild guess? What is Mueller? He shielded the un-American Republicans rockfordfile Apr 2019 #42
I am not so sure.. at140 Apr 2019 #43
Now we learn that Jr refused to testify voluntarily DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #60
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