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Tue Apr 23, 2019, 04:41 PM

19. Wrong: "Whether it's articles of impeachment or investigations, it's the same obtaining of facts."

Regular oversight hearings do not give authority to Congress to obtain Mueller's grand jury info. Only formal impeachment proceedings can do that.

Per the Washington Post:

Significantly, the appeals court decision several days ago reaffirmed that exception. All three judges agreed that an impeachment inquiry falls within the “exception for judicial proceedings” and “coheres” with other rulings about the proper scope of grand jury secrecy.  


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-full-mueller-report-could-be-released--if-the-house-opens-impeachment-hearings/2019/04/08/e47fff42-5a14-11e9-a00e-050dc7b82693_story.html  

Trump welcomed a Russian attack on our country in order to gain office, then obstructed our Justice Department, sacking an AG and an FBI Director, in order to stop the investigation into that attack. This is horrifically worse than Watergate. We must expose this behavior in the context of a formal impeachment investigation because only that properly treats this misconduct with the seriousness it deserves.

You do an oversight hearing on a cabinet secretary spending $40k of taxpayer money on a dining set for his office. You do an impeachment investigation hearing on a President who a Special Counsel found welcomed a Russian attack hacking our democracy, them tried to repeatedly to stop the investigation of that attack.

We must be on record as impeaching a president who commited these grave, treasonous crimes. 

We already have the preliminary investigation done by Mueller. If you've read the report, you know he all but begs Congress to start impeachment proceedings, reppeatedly stating that is where a decision on whether Trump obstructed justice must be made. He gave us a roadmap to 10 categories of obstruction Trump committed. We need the grand jury evidence supporting these 10 categories. That is why these need to be formal impeachment investigation hearings, not regular oversight hearings.

THEN, we draw up articles of impeachment. People seem to misunderstand the process. The House must first have impeachment investigation hearings, then draw up articles of impeachment, and vote on them. If the majority votes to approve the articles of impeachment, Trump is then officially impeached and the Senate conducts a "trial" on those charges.

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