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cloudythescribbler

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23. remember UK seized ship at US behest ... DT Admin still driving rising tensions w/Iran
Wed Jul 10, 2019, 11:08 PM
Jul 2019

the point here is to step back and look at the bigger picture

things were actually relatively stable -- not perfect, and Iran was doing lots of things US and NATO didn't like, but they WERE abiding by the nuclear accords by all credible observers, and they were NOT engaging in a policy of systematic provocation

then, for reasons of his own, including domestic politics and fulfilling a promise to his rabid core base, DT pulled out of Iran accord unilaterally, subsequently ramping up sanctions, including on 3d party countries & interests trading w/Iran.

it's no secret that powerful forces in the DT Admin (Bolton only most visible but don't forget close highly militaristic Saudi ties) are itching for war w/Iran, and have made no secret of it

so part of this policy of provocation was to seize an Iranian oil tanker. as for violating sanctions on Syria, everyone knows that Syria war is over for all practical purposes & Assad just finishing up/mopping up remaining pocket(s) of resistance. this is no time for EU countries to be seizing Iranian tankers while US trashing important Iran nuclear deal, and Iran now breaching uranium limit

so UK seizes tanker, but has to use EU sanctions as (more palatable) excuse. Iran retaliates, and UK responds w/threat of force. Iran seeking to assert itself while AVOIDING war, while UK doing US bidding (as w/Assange and Ecuador/UK) in provoking Iran by seizing oil tanker. Shame on UK admin, which is totally unpopular, and thus more dependent on US

those who are marching urging NO WAR ON IRAN happen to be right

those who suggested DT would somehow be less dangerous/imperialistic than HRC were just blowing smoke

our country's leadership is engaged in a policy of brinksmanship, and as in Iraq War, they have managed to rope UK into it

i will assume that UK military folk in this incident had little choice, but they sure as hell did NOT have to seize an oil tanker in this volatile situation. shame on UK for going along w/nutjobs occupying the US White House!

"thought to be Iranian"... "alleged Revolutionary Guard" ck4829 Jul 2019 #1
I know but the odds are it actually was them because the truth is the people in charge in Iran cstanleytech Jul 2019 #2
It's just convenient we had a "surveillance aircraft" overhead to record the whole thing too ck4829 Jul 2019 #5
Given the potential for conflict in the region surveillance craft should automatically be assumed cstanleytech Jul 2019 #8
You are absolutely right, except that.... reACTIONary Jul 2019 #15
I know those ones are not cheap but I am referring to Iran as well as other powers in cstanleytech Jul 2019 #21
True (nt) reACTIONary Jul 2019 #26
The Global Hawk is the Cadillac of drones though Massacure Jul 2019 #24
No doubt (nt) reACTIONary Jul 2019 #27
We have surveillance over the entire area at all times. Its 2019. Not that hard. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #9
Are you kidding... reACTIONary Jul 2019 #12
Every square inch of those waters is under surveillance 24/7 hack89 Jul 2019 #13
So, Iran no longer has saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #3
The Iranians likely tried to seize it in retaliation DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2019 #11
"trusted sources? " keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #18
I smell a rat. liberalmuse Jul 2019 #4
Whoever they are the are damned lucky ripcord Jul 2019 #6
Nobody was going to fire on anybody ck4829 Jul 2019 #7
So you are saying the Brits set this up at Trump's orders? ripcord Jul 2019 #10
Maybe it wasn't the Brits ck4829 Jul 2019 #14
The Iranians run a fleet of ... reACTIONary Jul 2019 #16
Given the area there are not many powers in the region who would try this but at the top of the list cstanleytech Jul 2019 #22
The Daily Express is a right-wing tabloid with a "mixed" record for factual reporting. Eugene Jul 2019 #17
+1 I wonder why anyone here would post the daily express? bronxiteforever Jul 2019 #20
Iran basically announced that they would do this... reACTIONary Jul 2019 #19
remember UK seized ship at US behest ... DT Admin still driving rising tensions w/Iran cloudythescribbler Jul 2019 #23
+1 well said (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #25
I don't disagree.... reACTIONary Jul 2019 #30
Color me skeptical jpak Jul 2019 #28
Skeptical of what exactly? reACTIONary Jul 2019 #31
Link to The Guardian nitpicker Jul 2019 #29
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Jul 2019 #32
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