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marble falls

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76. You certainly suggested that I was Trump like because I don't want this prosecuted any ...
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 12:52 PM
Feb 2020

further than it was.

My claim is: Smollett has been prosecuted enough.
a. he was investigated and the prosecution decided there was no there, there.
b. the law itself doesn't call for the depth of prosecution some here want with punishment not called for in the law.
c. there are better uses of police/prosecutors/court resources for crimes that actually have victims.
d. There is no point prosecuting this for its bad effect on race relations. Because race relations are abysmal alread and didn't have a thing to with Jesse Smollett.

There is no strawman here except for the further prosecution of Smollett for all the bad reasons to prosecute him I listed above.

There certainly is no reason to prosecute because it damages the cops:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

Public corruption and political crime

Chicago has a long history of public corruption that regularly draws the attention of federal law enforcement and federal prosecutors.[85] Chicago's political landscape has been firmly under the control of the <delete> for over 85 years and has been widely described as a political machine.[86][87][88][89] In the 1980s, the FBI's Operation Greylord uncovered massive and systemic corruption in Chicago's judicial system. Greylord was the longest and most successful undercover operation in the history of the FBI, and resulted in 92 federal indictments, including 17 judges, 48 lawyers, eight policemen, 10 deputy sheriffs, eight court officials, and one state legislator. Nearly all were convicted on a variety of charges including bribery, kickbacks, fraud, vote buying, racketeering, and drug trafficking.[90][91][92]

The late 1980s and 1990s saw further efforts by the FBI to prosecute Chicago's public crime syndicates. Operation Incubator obtained about a dozen convictions or guilty pleas, including those from five members of the City Council and an aide to former Mayor Harold Washington.[93] Later Operation Gambat brought a wide range of charges against a Chicago judge, a state senator, an alderman, and two others relating to corruption in the Cook County Circuit Court, the Illinois Senate, and the Chicago City Council. Four were convicted and a fifth died during trial.[94] The most extensive operation by the FBI of the 1990s, Operation Silver Shovel, sought to uncover corruption within Chicago labor unions, organized crime, and other city government officials. Operation Silver Shovel resulted in the conviction of 6 Chicago Alderman and a dozen other local officials on a wide range of corruption related charges.[94][95][96]

From 2019 to 2012, 33 Chicago aldermen were convicted on corruption charges, a conviction rate of roughly one third of those elected in the time period. A report from the Office of the Legislative Inspector General noted that over half of Chicago's elected alderman took illegal campaign contributions in 2013.[97] In 2015, mayor appointed Barbara Byrd-Bennett, the CEO of Chicago Public Schools, was convicted in a $23 million kickback scheme and was sentenced to seven and-a-half years in prison.[98] In addition to the Bennett conviction, a joint investigative report issued by the Office of the Inspector General and federal authorities documented widespread corruption within Chicago Public Schools in 2015. The audit noted the criminal shakedown of a CPS vendor, a records falsification scheme by a principal, numerous instances of employees abusing CPS's tax-exempt status to purchase personal items at big-box retailers, illegally using taxpayer-funded resources to campaign for political causes and stealing from taxpayer-funded accounts intended for purchasing student materials.[99]

A 2015 report released by the University of Illinois at Chicago's political science department declared Chicago the "corruption capital of America", citing that the Chicago-based Federal Judicial District for Northern Illinois reported 45 public corruption convictions for 2013 and a total of 1,642 convictions for the 38 years since 1976 when the U.S. Department of Justice began compiling the statistics. UIC Professor and former Chicago Alderman Dick Simpson noted in the report that "To end corruption, society needs to do more than convict the guys that get caught. A comprehensive anti-corruption strategy must be forged and carried out over at least a decade. A new political culture in which public corruption is no longer tolerated must be created".[100][101]
The FBI's Chicago division.

Examples of other high-profile Chicago political figures convicted on corruption related charges include Rod Blagojevich, Jesse Jackson Jr., Isaac Carothers, Arenda Troutman, Edward Vrdolyak, Otto Kerner, Jr., Constance Howard, Fred Roti and Dan Rostenkowski.

In October 2015, the FBI announced that Michael Anderson would be taking over for a retiring Robert Holley as Special Agent in Charge of the Chicago Bureau. Anderson, a corruption veteran who wrote the FBI Public Corruption Field Guide, called Chicago "target rich" for cases in an interview with the Chicago Tribune. Anderson commands a team of 850 agents in Chicago along with analysts and support staff.[102][103]

Most corruption cases in Chicago are prosecuted by the US Attorney's office, as legal jurisdiction makes most offenses punishable as a federal crime.[104] The current US Attorney for the Northern district of Illinois is Zachary T. Fardon.[105] In a press conference in January 2016, in the wake of the conviction of former Chicago City Hall official, John Bills, for taking $2 million in bribes, Fardon commented "Public corruption [in Chicago] is a disease and where public officials violate the public trust, we have to hold them accountable. And I do believe that by doing so, it sends a deterrent message."[106][107]


Please tell me how where Jesse Smollett fits into that? How is it that a false report is worse than selective prosecution or an arrest developing over false evidence ginned by the police.

Smollett did what he did. No one got hurt over it, it certainly hasn't seemed to help his career a bit. No one was hurt. The case was already in the heand of prosecutors and they declined to prosecute. The CPD just wants to slam dunk Smollett to let him know he can't beat the CPD. Talk about a Trumpian misuse of power.

"bogusly?" CurtEastPoint Feb 2020 #1
Rightously bogus, dude. Its in the law books and stuff. marble falls Feb 2020 #3
With bogosity aforethought jberryhill Feb 2020 #51
Or skylarking in the night season with intent meander. marble falls Feb 2020 #56
You've never heard of it? "I don't know why; it's a perfectly cromulent word." rpannier Feb 2020 #61
I did not realize that the Chicago Police and prosecuters had reduced crime so much they ... marble falls Feb 2020 #2
sending a message to people who make bullshit complaints Skittles Feb 2020 #4
I guess Smollett won't do it again. Its a waste to keep at this. marble falls Feb 2020 #6
He did something illegal Quackers Feb 2020 #7
How about punishment commensurate to the severity of the crime? Who got hurt? They solving ... marble falls Feb 2020 #8
Who got hurt? Race relations in Chicago for one. Quackers Feb 2020 #11
BS. The Chicago police have been shooting compliant unarmed young black males ... marble falls Feb 2020 #15
You're gonna believe what you want too. You obviously think Jussie shouldn't face punishment. Quackers Feb 2020 #16
So since Smollett is black, he should not be prosecuted? MicaelS Feb 2020 #24
You win the prize. What does his race have to with this? marble falls Feb 2020 #27
YOU were the one who brought up race first. MicaelS Feb 2020 #29
How many police man hours were wasted due to Smollett's stunt? Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #13
Sooooo throw even more hours, engage a bunch of prosecuters, tie up a court room, then fine him ... marble falls Feb 2020 #17
To deter others from repeating his behavior Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #66
Seriously, you think Smollet is the tip of an iceberg, that there's a raft of piople just waiting .. marble falls Feb 2020 #67
A fraction of a fraction of man-hours wasted on false burglar alarms. In one day. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #72
How many of them were intentional? Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #73
How many people who needed police protection didn't get it because of this false claim? X_Digger Feb 2020 #22
Good question. How many? How many aren't getting justice now because the police department, marble falls Feb 2020 #30
You did it again. The victims are the people who weren't served by the police. Fucking duh. X_Digger Feb 2020 #41
You did it again: what about all those even more people not getting service ... marble falls Feb 2020 #43
The victims are those that weren't served by the police. X_Digger Feb 2020 #45
And the even more who aren't getting justice because of this nothing case. Name one person ... marble falls Feb 2020 #46
Name one person who died because a cop wasn't there while the cops were investigating this fraud? X_Digger Feb 2020 #49
There are people who call 911 to order pizza jberryhill Feb 2020 #57
Don't put words in my mouth councilor ... marble falls Feb 2020 #65
If I call 911 to order pizza, I'll get told off. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2020 #75
Smollett failed miserably at being a citizen that night. Progressive Jones Feb 2020 #84
His punishment should be to pay 130K to the city, therapy, and community service. To create a hate Pisces Feb 2020 #68
That would break the law ... marble falls Feb 2020 #69
Isnt that pretty much what trump said about the impeachment trial Fullduplexxx Feb 2020 #9
You're comparing Smollet to Trump only trivializes Trump. Nothing Smollett has done rises to ... marble falls Feb 2020 #12
Smollett is trivializing hate crimes that have escalated dramatically under the Trump administration demofan40 Feb 2020 #14
Nope. Who knows what his intent was. But you can't seriously argue race relations in Chicago ... marble falls Feb 2020 #19
Nice straw man you got there. Nobody is arguing that. What Smollett has done Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #23
That is my take on it. Jamastiene Feb 2020 #59
BS. Do you really believe that Smolletts case really affected anyone except those who want ... marble falls Feb 2020 #71
I didn't call you names or anyone else in my post. Look up "straw man fallacy". Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #74
You certainly suggested that I was Trump like because I don't want this prosecuted any ... marble falls Feb 2020 #76
I made no such suggestion. Just give it up. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #77
Smollett is being prosecuted for no other reason than he pissed off the CPD. Its an abuse of ... marble falls Feb 2020 #78
au contraire mon ami discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2020 #79
Exactamundo, it has nothing to do with justice, the law or racial relations. marble falls Feb 2020 #80
IMO it does have to do with the fair execution of justice... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2020 #81
I can see what your intent is on this board. Sow division Trump troll. I'm done with you. Pisces Feb 2020 #70
I didn't compare smollett to trump try re reading it Fullduplexxx Feb 2020 #21
Smollet wasted their time with his bogus claims csziggy Feb 2020 #18
They are not wasting time. Smollet is wasting everyone's time. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #20
We're not allowed to bring that up... Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #82
I still do not get why he would make such a false claim as the risks to his cstanleytech Feb 2020 #5
he needs therapy Skittles Feb 2020 #26
Why? Because he thought that he could get away with it Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #31
He wasnt getting over enough to suit himself. Thought he should be a bigger star. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #53
He trivialized real hate crimes that have escalated during the Trump administration demofan40 Feb 2020 #10
Seriously. You're arguing that Smolletts case affected the much increased rate of hate crimes ... marble falls Feb 2020 #25
That's not what Demo40man said, and I think you know it Beakybird Feb 2020 #32
The whole case fell apart in three days, please. Why is adding a lot more than three days ... marble falls Feb 2020 #33
A lot of people are angry that he used racism for his own selfish ends. Beakybird Feb 2020 #35
Like who and so what? Ask them which affected their concept of race relations in Chicago ... marble falls Feb 2020 #37
one does not excuse the other Skittles Feb 2020 #58
The two are not equal. Short of shooting a cop they can't be. My point is ... marble falls Feb 2020 #63
Well HE's not winning the New Hampshire primary now underpants Feb 2020 #28
But U.P., you don't mind if I calls ya U.P., duz ya? You ain't thinkin' of jumping off the marble falls Feb 2020 #34
First Marianne underpants Feb 2020 #36
Dammit. I wuz leaving post of "Drug Czar" open for you! marble falls Feb 2020 #39
How about.... underpants Feb 2020 #42
Its yours! Tell no one else. marble falls Feb 2020 #44
Maybe he'll finally be held accountable for his actions. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #38
Name one case affected by this. I sure can't. marble falls Feb 2020 #40
False accusations stir up fear, tie up resources, and increase cynicism against real victims. Beakybird Feb 2020 #47
Seriously. We don't have enough real crime we have to "protect" from imaginary projected crime ... marble falls Feb 2020 #48
Thats just it; many cases WONT BE REPORTED because of this POS. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #52
Is that the new legal standard? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #60
Do you think dropping a gum wrapper is as bad as dumping a ton of industrial waste? ... marble falls Feb 2020 #64
About goddamn time Devil Child Feb 2020 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Judi Lynn Feb 2020 #54
It has to be done: Even without accusations of colluding with Smollett's family rocktivity Feb 2020 #55
They weren't investigating Smollett they were investigating Doxx ripcord Feb 2020 #62
A special prosecutor and an entire detachment of detectives Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #83
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