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94. Out of morbid curiosity, I have a question. I suspect I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway.

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 12:33 PM

Jul 2020

Let us say that, instead of stealing the guy's flag and running away, she had broken into his home and shot him dead as he sat in his living room, completely unprovoked. Would you want to see her arrested, charged, tried, and convicted for murder? And if you were on the jury for the trial, would you vote to convict? For the purposes of this exercise, assume that the evidence of her guilt is incontrovertible.

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Oklahoma woman shot while trying to remove Nazi flag [View all] muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 OP

Only in Amerikka. Freedomofspeech Jul 2020 #1

You left out a k. not_the_one Jul 2020 #33

The United States media did not cover this story? UCmeNdc Jul 2020 #2

FYI, NBC did... MuchBetterThanThis Jul 2020 #5

Local paper has the story as well irisblue Jul 2020 #8

+1. He shot her in the back as she was running across the street dalton99a Jul 2020 #11

The BBC article is based in part on an NBC News interview. sl8 Jul 2020 #9

Feaster "would occasionally dress up in (a) black uniform with a red swastika armband - an outfit sop Jul 2020 #3

Probably dressed up when Trump was on TV at one of his NAZI rallies.......... Bengus81 Jul 2020 #17

probably not that big lapfog_1 Jul 2020 #29

It's their 'heritage' RandiFan1290 Jul 2020 #4

Shot her in the back. For taking a piece of cloth. truthisfreedom Jul 2020 #6

Many Trumpers who I know keep loaded guns in their houses. gab13by13 Jul 2020 #15

I believe it. I remember arguing once with a RW who thought it was all right to shoot someone for chia Jul 2020 #20

Isn't that just the perfect synopsis of where we are as a Country right now genxlib Jul 2020 #7

She is indeed lucky to be alive irisblue Jul 2020 #13

Some people, totally ignorant of the 3000' minimum between gun shops and liquor stores law. jaxexpat Jul 2020 #16

Perfect RobinA Jul 2020 #37

Obscenely illustrates what is wrong with some in this country. The positive is those who fought back hlthe2b Jul 2020 #10

This jerk.... louzke9 Jul 2020 #12

its oklahoma, and never a smart move to trespass beachbumbob Jul 2020 #14

Not a smart move to gun people down for what they consider "trespassing" Bengus81 Jul 2020 #18

Absolutely!! Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #28

It wasn't about being in danger. not_the_one Jul 2020 #35

Yes, that's exactly what it was. n/t Igel Jul 2020 #51

do you live in Oklahoma? beachbumbob Jul 2020 #45

Nope..up the road a piece in Kansas Bengus81 Jul 2020 #48

Does what's morally and legally defensible change when you cross over the border into Oklahoma? coti Jul 2020 #75

"shot her in the back" Trumpster Nazi on duty. keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #19

She should not have been on his property and he should not have shot her. marie999 Jul 2020 #21

She was compelled to remove an abomination from public view. Many oasis Jul 2020 #31

Even a Nazi has freedom of speech in America. marie999 Jul 2020 #32

Nazi's best keep it amongst themselves or suffer the consequences. nt oasis Jul 2020 #34

I Disagree RobinA Jul 2020 #38

Nazi symbols are an abomination. Obscenity laws should apply. nt oasis Jul 2020 #39

You'd have to change the constitution for that Polybius Jul 2020 #40

That is the hard part. marie999 Jul 2020 #42

William Brennan was never Chief Justice, but point taken Polybius Jul 2020 #43

You are right. I have cognitive dissonance where when I read sometimes my brain will add a word marie999 Jul 2020 #44

Hate speech and immediate incitement to violence are illegal. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #99

You are incorrect. Flying a Nazi flag is protected speech/expression in the US. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #100

Yes and burning the flag is protected symbolic speech. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #102

If it's YOUR Nazi flag, sure. If it's someone else's, not so much. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #104

I forgot to put the United States flag. There are cases on that one. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #105

Yes, it's well-established that burning the US flag is protected speech. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #107

The shoudln't TristanIsolde Jul 2020 #81

I'll put her on the list of those who almost won a Darwin Award. Kaleva Jul 2020 #111

"forgotten about soon"? It's 7/5 and this thread is still active. oasis Jul 2020 #113

Most here in this thread probably don't know her name. Kaleva Jul 2020 #114

"Kendal McVey" has a nice ring to it. Her act of bravery doesn't oasis Jul 2020 #115

I'll bookmark this thread and keep and eye out for other threads... Kaleva Jul 2020 #116

Who knows? "Kyndal McVey" may hitch a ride in your mind oasis Jul 2020 #118

The Atalanta jogger and Flint Mi. security guard have already been forgotten. Kaleva Jul 2020 #123

What was her ethnicity? raccoon Jul 2020 #22

Nazi flags are against the law in Germany world wide wally Jul 2020 #23

That's because in Germany, they put the smart people in charge. Aristus Jul 2020 #25

Shot in the back....Good bye gun rights AND enjoy prison Mr. Nazi!! aeromanKC Jul 2020 #24

Oklahoma, protecting the (free speech) Nazi flag. He will get a slap on his back. NCjack Jul 2020 #26

Wrong move, trying to remove a Nazi flag. eppur_se_muova Jul 2020 #27

Not worth risking your life Hip2bSquare Jul 2020 #30

I hope Mr. Feaster spends the rest of his miserable life in prison. SunSeeker Jul 2020 #36

Guess she shoulda just shot that flag instead donkeypoofed Jul 2020 #41

Both of them played stupid games and won stupid prizes. N/T Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #46

I used to pretend removing nazi paraphernalia was stupid too. LanternWaste Jul 2020 #54

When it's on someone else's property, yep, it's stupid. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #55

Nazis have no personal property rights. TristanIsolde Jul 2020 #80

Sarcasm, I love it. N/T Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #82

No sarcasm, dead serious. TristanIsolde Jul 2020 #83

Oh, okay. You're dead serious. You're also wrong. But whatevs, you do you. N/T Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #84

Which is not giving rights to fucking Nazis, you know those people who gassed six million Jews. TristanIsolde Jul 2020 #86

They have the same rights that we do, as much as you might wish otherwise. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #87

Out of morbid curiosity, I have a question. I suspect I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #94

Yeah , follow the law. I would not sit on that Jury though TristanIsolde Jul 2020 #98

Gadzooks. DavidDvorkin Jul 2020 #91

What a handsome looking orc Mr Feaster is! iscooterliberally Jul 2020 #47

Oh yeah, attempted murder is perfectly legal to justify petty larceny. sakabatou Jul 2020 #49

Feaster definitely trumped these two of a kind. Marcuse Jul 2020 #50

Found his ugly photo: Judi Lynn Jul 2020 #52

If only there were some way this could have been prevented. Say....... NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 #53

Don't be ridiculous. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #56

It's depressing how common that view is on DU. DavidDvorkin Jul 2020 #57

Isn't it though? Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #58

It's "depressing" to read about people getting shot in the back. I'd oasis Jul 2020 #59

It's not either/or DavidDvorkin Jul 2020 #60

And yet the fact remains... Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #62

I wouldn't have risked life and limb doing what she did. oasis Jul 2020 #64

She stood up against freedom of expression, a founding principal of the Republic. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #65

"freedom of expression? Try yelling "fire" in a crowded auditorium oasis Jul 2020 #67

You do realize that the fire in a crowded theater thing is nonsense, right? Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #68

Prior to the 13th Amendment, abolitionists stole people's property. nt oasis Jul 2020 #69

That's nice. Unfortunately, it also has nothing to do with what we're discussing. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #71

If standing up against nazism is "wrong" I don't want to be right. oasis Jul 2020 #72

I never said standing up against Nazi ideology was wrong, and you know it. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #73

Congrats to you. Behind the Aegis Jul 2020 #74

Yes, you and Jedi are right. This is the very foundation of the 1st Amendment. coti Jul 2020 #77

I can't speak for Jedi, but I never compared the two crimes. Behind the Aegis Jul 2020 #78

As I said upthread, he had no right to shoot her because she took his Nazi flag. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #85

Apologies for the belated response, I didn't get or didn't see the notification for your reply. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #89

You are often in this forum telling us we're wrong JonLP24 Jul 2020 #110

If you've got something you want to say, have the courage to come right out and say it. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #119

That's not at all the same thing and a dishonest argument. nt coti Jul 2020 #76

Inciting to riot is wrong. Promotion of hate is wrong. Period. oasis Jul 2020 #79

My Hillary sign was stolen in 2016 Polybius Jul 2020 #90

Was the nazi flying his flag to support a candidate for office? oasis Jul 2020 #92

And what if it was a sign for one of David Duke's run for office? Polybius Jul 2020 #93

Just mark me down as one who "won't tolerate intolerance" and oasis Jul 2020 #95

You too! Polybius Jul 2020 #96

Most campaign signs are displayed to garner votes oasis Jul 2020 #97

Good luck with doing away with the First Amendment. Shouldn't be hard at all. N/T Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #101

Those who would rid society of evil nazi trash will continue oasis Jul 2020 #103

What you're saying basically boils down to "They have no rights because I say so." Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #106

"no rights"? I don't recall stating that in any of my posts. oasis Jul 2020 #108

Apologies, I got you confused with TristanIsolde upthread. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #120

Supreme Court's 1969 decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio made it legal Kaleva Jul 2020 #112

It's always been legal to yell "Fire!" on your own property even if there isn't a fire. Kaleva Jul 2020 #117

She broke the law by stealing something from some's property Polybius Jul 2020 #88

Some are opposed to removing statues Democratically JonLP24 Jul 2020 #109

I think anyone who attempts to forcefully take down a statue in the US belongs in prison Polybius Jul 2020 #121

lolz obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #122

How do you feel about the people who took down this one? Polybius Jul 2020 #124

My Antifa grandfathers bombed and shot people like him. nt BrightKnight Jul 2020 #61

So did one of mine. Jedi Guy Jul 2020 #63

Why didn't he just record her and then report it to the police ? JI7 Jul 2020 #66

Because he's a Nazi. muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #70