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BumRushDaShow

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35. "don't actually know how close we are to having 60% of the popular exposed and (in theory) immune."
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:36 AM
Nov 2020

Most researchers, including epidemiologists and immunologists have found that "immunity" (the presence of sufficient antibodies) only lasts about 3 - 4 months. So "immunity" via infecting the hell out of a populace to supposedly promote "herd immunity", is useless and a potential death sentence for certain populations. And notably because there are a number of variants of COVID-19 out there with one version that is supposedly a predominate one in circulation at the moment (so far 70% of the infections detected) being more contagious but less lethal than one of the earlier variants that was far more lethal (e.g., the one that hit Italy early on).

So per the below, the early variant that devastated NY was a "D" variant and then a new one that they call "G" started elsewhere and has been spreading like wildfire -

This coronavirus mutation has taken over the world. Scientists are trying to understand why.

By Sarah Kaplan and Joel Achenbach
July 2

When the first coronavirus cases in Chicago appeared in January, they bore the same genetic signatures as a germ that emerged in China weeks before. But as Egon Ozer, an infectious-disease specialist at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, examined the genetic structure of virus samples from local patients, he noticed something different. A change in the virus was appearing again and again. This mutation, associated with outbreaks in Europe and New York, eventually took over the city. By May, it was found in 95 percent of all the genomes Ozer sequenced.

At a glance, the mutation seemed trivial. About 1,300 amino acids serve as building blocks for a protein on the surface of the virus. In the mutant virus, the genetic instructions for just one of those amino acids — number 614 — switched in the new variant from a “D” (shorthand for aspartic acid) to a “G” (short for glycine). But the location was significant, because the switch occurred in the part of the genome that codes for the all-important “spike protein” — the protruding structure that gives the coronavirus its crownlike profile and allows it to enter human cells the way a burglar picks a lock.

And its ubiquity is undeniable. Of the approximately 50,000 genomes of the new virus that researchers worldwide have uploaded to a shared database, about 70 percent carry the mutation, officially designated D614G but known more familiarly to scientists as “G.” “G” hasn’t just dominated the outbreak in Chicago — it has taken over the world. Now scientists are racing to figure out what it means.

At least five laboratory experiments suggest that the mutation makes the virus more infectious, although only one of those studies has been peer-reviewed. That study, led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory and published Thursday in the journal Cell, also asserts that patients with the G variant actually have more virus in their bodies, making them more likely to spread it to others.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2020/06/29/coronavirus-mutation-science/?arc404=true
No, "WE" did not blow it... BigmanPigman Nov 2020 #1
+1 n/t orleans Nov 2020 #3
THIS Talitha Nov 2020 #7
Agree 100%! duforsure Nov 2020 #36
Precisely Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #37
EXACTLY. LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #46
+1 chowder66 Nov 2020 #51
Absofuckinglutely. Dave Starsky Nov 2020 #52
Yes Yes Yes.... diverdownjt Nov 2020 #53
Exactly! And they're still not doing what needs to be done. And so simple. Un-f'ing believable. Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #71
From Ronald Klain On January 30,2020 DallasNE Nov 2020 #72
I'm certainly no expert, notinkansas Nov 2020 #2
That sums it up. PSPS Nov 2020 #4
It's not just the senate. It's a lot of Republican governors, too. unblock Nov 2020 #5
Sure they would. The residents of the state would be getting regular federal assistance checks. PSPS Nov 2020 #12
That makes way too much sense unblock Nov 2020 #28
How can anyone think that keeping a plague from spreading is a political question? Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2020 #57
Oh lord...you don't live in a red state jmowreader Nov 2020 #58
Complete lockdown? former9thward Nov 2020 #48
States that imposed lockdowns notinkansas Nov 2020 #64
Overall there has been no significant difference in infections and death rates former9thward Nov 2020 #68
I agree that essential workers shouldered an enormous notinkansas Nov 2020 #69
It's not as though this is the only country experiencing PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #6
Really? Aussie105 Nov 2020 #18
Australia and New Zealand are not the entire rest of the world. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #24
Ok! Aussie105 Nov 2020 #27
Australia is an island nation. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #31
The difference is in the mentality of the populace Blues Heron Nov 2020 #38
The Aussies seem to be for what is better for the country, like banning guns. LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #43
??? llashram Nov 2020 #49
Didn't your biggest states - NSW & Victoria BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #34
You might want to read up on exactly what Australia and New Zealand have done (and are doing)... rooboy Nov 2020 #40
Yes exactly... diverdownjt Nov 2020 #61
Since I don't think a lockdown is in the cards ... mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #8
Herd immunity is a pipe dream... AZ8theist Nov 2020 #13
Not to mention that people get reinfected. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #14
Then there might not be from a vaccine either mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #59
I agree, and the vaccine will need lots of takers. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #60
Doesn't matter if it's a pipe dream ... mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #15
I didn't say 60% of the people tested Lebo, .. AZ8theist Nov 2020 #19
I didn't say you said that, I said there's a flaw in that math. mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #22
oh, ok, I get ya. I was only using the known infections number from the dashboard. AZ8theist Nov 2020 #29
"don't actually know how close we are to having 60% of the popular exposed and (in theory) immune." BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #35
Another thing about herd immunity. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #26
I'm not actually trying to claim that 'that's going to work' without vaccinations mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #56
If herd immunity were a real thing, PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #32
however, we already know the infection fatality rate is about 0.9% LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #47
Confirmed cases is 11 million, total cases are more HermitageHermit Nov 2020 #55
The death rate can only go up. Aussie105 Nov 2020 #20
I don't believe it's accurate to say that it can ONLY go up ... mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #25
Learnt nothing from the Spanish Flu pandemic? Aussie105 Nov 2020 #30
Not to mention the collateral damage. When ICUs get swamped... Dave Starsky Nov 2020 #54
Yes, this! When ICUs get swamped.... Withywindle Nov 2020 #75
Umm, no. We know exactly what's going to happen, given the actions or inaction of politicians.... paleotn Nov 2020 #42
Oh I know we're fucked and yes it's mathematical, but ... mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #62
herd immunity?? llashram Nov 2020 #50
Well, that'll happen when idiots dismiss scientists as "elitist." Grokenstein Nov 2020 #9
Toxic masculinity run amok. magicarpet Nov 2020 #10
Have you read this? BigmanPigman Nov 2020 #16
No,... had not seen it,... magicarpet Nov 2020 #17
Reason number 3,467 paleotn Nov 2020 #44
Males kinda suck honestly ... mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #63
The devil's greatest trick was convincing people he didn't exist... and that COVID was no big deal. Beartracks Nov 2020 #11
The Trump/Pence personal death count keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #21
America, I cry for thee. Aussie105 Nov 2020 #23
Thanx a lot Donny you just had to fire the people or disband all the organizations that would ... Botany Nov 2020 #33
Thankyou, Donald J. Trump: this is ALL on you. marble falls Nov 2020 #39
Where is all this insight into how DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #41
Bingo. That's one aspect of this tragedy.... paleotn Nov 2020 #45
I am surprised that we are not hearing about medical bills already. notinkansas Nov 2020 #65
I saw a tweet from a guy whose sister got a bill for BigmanPigman Nov 2020 #73
Yikes. notinkansas Nov 2020 #74
Thank you DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #67
Actually, humanity blew it 1plus1equals1 Nov 2020 #66
Kick dalton99a Nov 2020 #70
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