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Denzil_DC

(7,222 posts)
38. On your last paragraph,
Sun Nov 29, 2020, 09:56 AM
Nov 2020

the emphasis in Scotland is not on "blood and soil" native-born nationalism, but rather civic nationalism. If you've settled in Scotland and pay taxes there, you're considered Scottish to all intents and purposes, and that's likely to be the model for residency and citizenship in a future independent Scotland.

As an illustration of this, the franchise has been extended in Scottish elections (i.e. not those concerning Westminster) to include non-native citizens who are resident here. This means that people like my partner, who's lived in Scotland for many years but is still a US citizen, will be able to vote in next year's Scottish parliament election, as will any EU citizens who've managed to survive Westminster's efforts to eject them.

Scotland has a demographically ageing population, so immigration is seen as something to be encouraged, and a necessity. Similar pressures apply in the rest of the UK to a lesser extent, but nevertheless Westminster's attitudes to immigrants are notorious.

As for Scotland's economy, there's a lot more to it than oil, whisky, textiles and fish, though those sectors would thrive better with closer attention and more support than Westminster gives them. I don't propose to fill this page even more than I have already, but as just one example, Dundee is a major centre for computer games and other high-tech initiatives, which is a significant market. As another, the central belt is a serious player in the space satellite industry. The country is rich in natural resources, from fresh water to renewable energy - the latter a sector that's been hampered by lack of UK government investment over the years - and has a well-educated population, so its future will depend more on initiative than raw resources.

So how does Northern Ireland feel about Brexit? exboyfil Nov 2020 #1
the religionists oughta give up their hate and do something for everyone on the island nt msongs Nov 2020 #3
Unionists beginning to question... paleotn Nov 2020 #5
Northern Ireland will leave first. roamer65 Nov 2020 #11
Not certain about this. They have (obviously) always been Unionist as they don't want to get buried Capt. America Nov 2020 #32
Catholics are actually the majority now. roamer65 Nov 2020 #44
Looks like Boris will suceed in tearing it all to pieces. jeffreyi Nov 2020 #2
Everything changes. IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #4
The sea makes a better border for Ireland exboyfil Nov 2020 #6
I never did understand their voting it down before. (Year?) efhmc Nov 2020 #24
The Scottish voters have been consistant. ssgbryan Nov 2020 #26
Thanks for the info. efhmc Nov 2020 #27
Trump's just pissed that he wasn't able to do the same here. LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #12
Saor Alba Gu Brath! TomSlick Nov 2020 #7
Of course, Westminster is now saying they won't authorize another Scottish referendum... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #8
Westminster has no say on it. roamer65 Nov 2020 #9
Catalunya was a different situation DFW Nov 2020 #17
Why do you beleive that? I am not questioning your knowledge, I really would like to know. CTyankee Nov 2020 #29
Johnson is an immediate spur, yes, but Denzil_DC Nov 2020 #35
Well said. Thanks for posting. SharonClark Nov 2020 #45
I am not as familiar with Scotland as I am with Catalunya, of course DFW Nov 2020 #37
On your last paragraph, Denzil_DC Nov 2020 #38
That last about initiative as opposed to raw resources is very encouraging DFW Nov 2020 #39
I don't think anyone's under any illusions that there will be major challenges if independence Denzil_DC Nov 2020 #43
thank you. I learned a lot from what you have said here. I appreciate it! CTyankee Nov 2020 #40
You're very welcome. Denzil_DC Nov 2020 #41
at least you have that. CTyankee Nov 2020 #50
First step toward Scottish independence. roamer65 Nov 2020 #10
Second step: LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #13
Haggis is pretty good, tree trunk throwing might be more effective or burrowowl Nov 2020 #14
Nonstop bagpipe skirling,... LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #15
No they won't Wolf Frankula Nov 2020 #16
Ahhh...pipers against pipers... LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #19
That would bring about an immediate English surrender. roamer65 Nov 2020 #18
"Weaponized haggis " is redundant. bluedigger Nov 2020 #28
Good point. LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #30
That makes sense. Piss off the English even more! CTyankee Nov 2020 #42
While Boris is an asshole... nycbos Nov 2020 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #21
I suspect Spain can be persuaded eallen Nov 2020 #23
This is an utter myth about Spain. Denzil_DC Nov 2020 #36
The *United Kingdom* Delphinus Nov 2020 #22
The new Hadrian's wall Javaman Nov 2020 #25
Perhaps two layers of matchboxes would work. LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #31
Be careful for what you wish for Scotland. I'm not certain how a Scotland pound would stand up Capt. America Nov 2020 #33
After Brexit, I am not sure how the British Pound sterling will hold up either. IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #34
I was in England during the Brexit vote and in Scotland during the Independence vote. SharonClark Nov 2020 #46
I wouldn't be surprised if B.J.... Xolodno Nov 2020 #47
K&R ck4829 Nov 2020 #48
Hope both Scotland and the Six Counties in the north Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #49
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