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cab67

(2,990 posts)
13. It's more complicated.
Tue Mar 2, 2021, 01:21 PM
Mar 2021

There's a volume of his political cartoons made close to, and shortly after, the start of WW2. Some of them made strong statements AGAINST anti-semitism and racism in the US. My copy isn't with me, otherwise I'd share some of them (or at least indicate page numbers in the book).

In general, when he wanted to portray a country in a bad light, he'd caricature the leader of that country, whether it was Hitler, Mussolini, Laval, or - at least before Operation Barbarossa - Stalin. He only made a stereotyped version of someone living in these countries when he was extolling them; hence, sinister Stalin became a heroic bear in mid-1941.

The one unfortunate exception was the Japanese. When shown in his cartoons, they were the stereotypical buck-toothed versions with squinty eyes and round glasses. He was in favor of internment of Japanese civilians, and this came through in his cartoons. But I've sometimes wondered how much of that came from innate racism and how much came from his steadfast support for FDR. Probably, it was both.

Everything I've said here applies equally to many of the Looney Tunes cartoons made at the time. Some of them can be seen on Youtube. Indeed, some of these were intentional propaganda; at the time, parents would have taken their children to the matinees, so the cartoons were aimed at adults as much as at the kids.

I say none of this to defend the racism expressed in these media. But neither should we pass judgment on the basis of attitudes that, at least in part, reflected the culture and events surrounding those who made them.

To write him off as a bigot is, in my view, too simplistic. His views on race and religion were not straightforward. And I have a strong dislike for dismissing people, or their works, entirely on the basis of attitudes we now find offensive.

I believe this is ridiculous. Beacool Mar 2021 #1
It appears that the publisher and right's holder Miguelito Loveless Mar 2021 #5
+1 Deminpenn Mar 2021 #6
re: "Books need to be taken into the historical context of their time" thesquanderer Mar 2021 #19
+1 wnylib Mar 2021 #30
this --- except for the "right wing parents in Texas" TxGuitar Mar 2021 #32
True. n/t thesquanderer Mar 2021 #38
The publisher made the decision. I suspect it was a matter of looking at the bottom line and Martin68 Mar 2021 #25
That Is What I Thought erpowers Mar 2021 #48
This is not censorship. This is a publisher that has evaluated its product and determined that it Politicub Mar 2021 #35
This wasn't "Uber liberals" moose65 Mar 2021 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Beacool Mar 2021 #2
While I agree with the decision this only gives the right another talking point about the bs kimbutgar Mar 2021 #3
Do we base our decisions abou tdoing what is right based Miguelito Loveless Mar 2021 #7
Of course what is right. kimbutgar Mar 2021 #8
Agreed... Miguelito Loveless Mar 2021 #9
Kimbutgar, I agree with you 100%. I'm really surprised now when I see offensive stereotypes in Martin68 Mar 2021 #27
Like the right really love Dr. Seuss. I bet they all have a copy of the Lorax. Martin68 Mar 2021 #52
I'd only heard of one and yes he was a horrible racist and anti-Semite underpants Mar 2021 #4
He was not an anti-semite edhopper Mar 2021 #16
He Was Jewish. Silver1 Mar 2021 #28
Dr. Seuss was Jewish. Silver1 Mar 2021 #26
Where did you see that he was Jewish? IronLionZion Mar 2021 #37
I always thought he was ... Silver1 Mar 2021 #43
He may be ethnically Jewish but not practicing the religion IronLionZion Mar 2021 #44
I saw that for the first time today. Strange juxtaposition of cruel and harmless. Silver1 Mar 2021 #47
That's a lie. He wasn't a anti-Semite. He was very much against Nazism. rockfordfile Mar 2021 #57
I personally have a problem with "cancel culture"... RevBrotherThomas Mar 2021 #10
So how is "cancel culture" any different? Happy Hoosier Mar 2021 #17
do you mean Skittles Mar 2021 #55
I know it's a couple days late DashOneBravo Mar 2021 #56
In the same way we frame the founding fathers.... phandancer917 Mar 2021 #11
+1000 wnylib Mar 2021 #31
"out of print" JohnnyRingo Mar 2021 #12
It's more complicated. cab67 Mar 2021 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Mar 2021 #14
Would you say it should be something taught in schools today? Happy Hoosier Mar 2021 #21
Exactly! Lunabell Mar 2021 #22
Try that in today's world, where classrooms wnylib Mar 2021 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Mar 2021 #50
Yes you were receiving a lecture. wnylib Mar 2021 #51
Good, destroying cultural icons of whiteness will destroy white supremacy Devil Child Mar 2021 #15
and gross overreach undermines the legitimate efforts in this area Amishman Mar 2021 #24
Have other attempts to erase the past been successful? bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #18
I still have a copy of, "Green Eggs and Ham" Bayard Mar 2021 #20
With figures like Washington & Jefferson, you have to show the blunt truth about them. Bucky Mar 2021 #41
The heirs should have the books updated to replace stereotypes Liberty Belle Mar 2021 #23
That is eye-opening. I didn't know that about him. C Moon Mar 2021 #29
My sister-in-law was an elementary librarian TxGuitar Mar 2021 #34
Can't we all just agree to evolve? Cozmo Mar 2021 #36
Red meat for Republicans Polybius Mar 2021 #39
Too Late Roy Rolling Mar 2021 #40
People still read the shit out of Dr. Seuss. He still has some unsung gems Bucky Mar 2021 #42
So a company is not printing some still-existing books anymore, eh? LanternWaste Mar 2021 #45
Interesting. The Birch Society strongly advocated for banning Dr Seuss Books msfiddlestix Mar 2021 #46
First, no one canceled anything. His estate decided not to publish them. GulfCoast66 Mar 2021 #53
I'm sure anyone interested can buy used copies. pfitz59 Mar 2021 #54
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