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wnylib

(21,432 posts)
51. Yes you were receiving a lecture.
Wed Mar 3, 2021, 03:57 AM
Mar 2021

You say that having your teacher read Little Black Sambo repeatedly to your classroom did not turn you and your classmates into "slobbering white supremacists" in one post and in the next you say it is strange that I might think you would object to retiring Little Black Sambo. I find that turnaround in tone strange.

You ask and then answer that maybe some of your classmates became virulent racists. I am not talking about virulent racism. I am talking about the more subtle type of racism that portrays people of other cultures as exotic "others" or caricatures instead of showing them as real people. That subtler kind of racism becomes a social undercurrent of the kind that sees others as "less than" because they are only caricatures.

I remember when Little Black Sambo was retired. It was read to me as a child, too. When I heard that it was retired I remember thinking that was a good idea.

I come from a biracial family. Both of my father's parents were mixed, European and Native American. When my father's family got together at my grandfather's - all 8 of his siblings and their spouses and chilldren - they told stories of ancestors with pride and humor. They specificallly told me to take pride in both sides of my heritage. When I was 5, and a relative from the rez passed away, another relative came to my grandfather's later where we had gathered so she could show us some treasured family items and tell us stories from the past that were associated with the people who had made and owned them.

A few years later, when my grade school class was learning about Native Americans from our region, we were told that they were gone now, a thing of the past. I remember thinking, hey, my father's family is still around. We lived a couple hours from the rez (which today the people prefer to call a territory, for historical reasons), but to me, they obviously had not disappeared. So I asked about the rez and the teacher said they were not "real Indians" any more because they lived in modern homes instead of longhouses, and wore cloth instead of deerskin.

So I naively thought I could explain modern Indians with examples from my family. I got my parents' permission to bring in some of the items we had received so I could tell the stories about the cloth sample with European designs done in Native dyed quills and beads as an example of the "transition period" when Native and European styles blended for a while. There was also a metal bracelet with a Native snake design. The teacher totally dismissed them as not Indian because "Indians of this region did not have cloth or metal jewelry." (I did not know then that samples identical to my items exist in a Native cultural museum in Rochester, NY.)

She dismissed the idea that my grandparents could be that closely related to Indians because I did not "look Indian" so what I had to say was not relevant. (My mother's heritage was northern European and I had medium blond hair until it turned dark brown in my teens. Only my eyes 'look Native.')

She wanted so much to cling to and pass on caricatures and stereotypes of an "exotic, long lost past" that she refused to acknowledge authentic people, history, and present day Native culture.

I believe this is ridiculous. Beacool Mar 2021 #1
It appears that the publisher and right's holder Miguelito Loveless Mar 2021 #5
+1 Deminpenn Mar 2021 #6
re: "Books need to be taken into the historical context of their time" thesquanderer Mar 2021 #19
+1 wnylib Mar 2021 #30
this --- except for the "right wing parents in Texas" TxGuitar Mar 2021 #32
True. n/t thesquanderer Mar 2021 #38
The publisher made the decision. I suspect it was a matter of looking at the bottom line and Martin68 Mar 2021 #25
That Is What I Thought erpowers Mar 2021 #48
This is not censorship. This is a publisher that has evaluated its product and determined that it Politicub Mar 2021 #35
This wasn't "Uber liberals" moose65 Mar 2021 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Beacool Mar 2021 #2
While I agree with the decision this only gives the right another talking point about the bs kimbutgar Mar 2021 #3
Do we base our decisions abou tdoing what is right based Miguelito Loveless Mar 2021 #7
Of course what is right. kimbutgar Mar 2021 #8
Agreed... Miguelito Loveless Mar 2021 #9
Kimbutgar, I agree with you 100%. I'm really surprised now when I see offensive stereotypes in Martin68 Mar 2021 #27
Like the right really love Dr. Seuss. I bet they all have a copy of the Lorax. Martin68 Mar 2021 #52
I'd only heard of one and yes he was a horrible racist and anti-Semite underpants Mar 2021 #4
He was not an anti-semite edhopper Mar 2021 #16
He Was Jewish. Silver1 Mar 2021 #28
Dr. Seuss was Jewish. Silver1 Mar 2021 #26
Where did you see that he was Jewish? IronLionZion Mar 2021 #37
I always thought he was ... Silver1 Mar 2021 #43
He may be ethnically Jewish but not practicing the religion IronLionZion Mar 2021 #44
I saw that for the first time today. Strange juxtaposition of cruel and harmless. Silver1 Mar 2021 #47
That's a lie. He wasn't a anti-Semite. He was very much against Nazism. rockfordfile Mar 2021 #57
I personally have a problem with "cancel culture"... RevBrotherThomas Mar 2021 #10
So how is "cancel culture" any different? Happy Hoosier Mar 2021 #17
do you mean Skittles Mar 2021 #55
I know it's a couple days late DashOneBravo Mar 2021 #56
In the same way we frame the founding fathers.... phandancer917 Mar 2021 #11
+1000 wnylib Mar 2021 #31
"out of print" JohnnyRingo Mar 2021 #12
It's more complicated. cab67 Mar 2021 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Mar 2021 #14
Would you say it should be something taught in schools today? Happy Hoosier Mar 2021 #21
Exactly! Lunabell Mar 2021 #22
Try that in today's world, where classrooms wnylib Mar 2021 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Mar 2021 #50
Yes you were receiving a lecture. wnylib Mar 2021 #51
Good, destroying cultural icons of whiteness will destroy white supremacy Devil Child Mar 2021 #15
and gross overreach undermines the legitimate efforts in this area Amishman Mar 2021 #24
Have other attempts to erase the past been successful? bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #18
I still have a copy of, "Green Eggs and Ham" Bayard Mar 2021 #20
With figures like Washington & Jefferson, you have to show the blunt truth about them. Bucky Mar 2021 #41
The heirs should have the books updated to replace stereotypes Liberty Belle Mar 2021 #23
That is eye-opening. I didn't know that about him. C Moon Mar 2021 #29
My sister-in-law was an elementary librarian TxGuitar Mar 2021 #34
Can't we all just agree to evolve? Cozmo Mar 2021 #36
Red meat for Republicans Polybius Mar 2021 #39
Too Late Roy Rolling Mar 2021 #40
People still read the shit out of Dr. Seuss. He still has some unsung gems Bucky Mar 2021 #42
So a company is not printing some still-existing books anymore, eh? LanternWaste Mar 2021 #45
Interesting. The Birch Society strongly advocated for banning Dr Seuss Books msfiddlestix Mar 2021 #46
First, no one canceled anything. His estate decided not to publish them. GulfCoast66 Mar 2021 #53
I'm sure anyone interested can buy used copies. pfitz59 Mar 2021 #54
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