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(60,536 posts) Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:40 AM Apr 2021

Former DC police chief says Adam Toledo shooting 'was reasonable' [View all]

Source: The Hill

BY LEXI LONAS - 04/16/21 10:03 AM EDT

Former D.C. Police Chief Charles Ramsey told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that the shooting of 13-year-old Adam Toledo “was reasonable.”

“Tragic as it was, the shooting was reasonable,” said Ramsey, who was also the Philadelphia Police commissioner and currently serves as CNN’s law enforcement analyst, Mediaite reported.

Video of Toledo’s shooting by a Chicago police officer was released on Thursday and caused backlash, with people saying it was another unreasonable police shooting.

However, Ramsey said after reviewing all the footage from the Civilian Office of Police Accountability he believes the officer was justified in his actions.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/media/548632-former-dc-police-chief-says-adam-toledo-shooting-was-reasonable

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Former DC police chief says Adam Toledo shooting 'was reasonable' [View all] DonViejo Apr 2021 OP

Has it occurred to him the inevitable result of declaring shooting defendants with arms in the air hlthe2b Apr 2021 #1

The first thing that MUST change is to stop police from shooting to kill Escurumbele Apr 2021 #12

this 'aim lower, hit a leg' has been refuted stopdiggin Apr 2021 #44

Please take the time to provide a link. Not everyone here is as well-informed as you. Thanks. TheRickles Apr 2021 #60

No. It's been discussed repeatedly and endlessly. (nt) stopdiggin Apr 2021 #68

The same cops who can empty a magazine and miss a 12" target at 30 ft NickB79 Apr 2021 #98

The only way to protect yourself now is to turn your back and raise your hands ... aggiesal Apr 2021 #52

So called police experts like him need to be kept off the airwave. LiberalFighter Apr 2021 #91

"Put your hands up!"... BANG... "He moved his hands so I shot him"... ExciteBike66 Apr 2021 #2

Seemed reasonable to me as well, Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #3

He was not armed when his hands were in the air. Split second decision, I can appreciate, but your hlthe2b Apr 2021 #4

This x 1000 Ferrets are Cool Apr 2021 #5

What I meant is that he was armed during the confrontation. Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #6

I've watched that video repeatedly on nothing more than a typical resolution laptop. YOU CAN see the hlthe2b Apr 2021 #8

So, you are reading what the police claim and accepting it Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #10

I urge everyone to go on a "ride-a-long" with a cop a few times, I have. Dustlawyer Apr 2021 #23

Yes, it's a very challenging job. Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #42

As have I & have kept in touch with a few in leadership,whom I've worked with on community projects. hlthe2b Apr 2021 #63

Sorry that is not what happened ... aggiesal Apr 2021 #59

It doesn't matter if he was previously armed StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #82

His dumping of the gun behind the fence a second prior was obviously furtive greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #14

You are arguing a compliant unarmed, surrendering assailant FOLLOWING ORDERS can be shot regardless. hlthe2b Apr 2021 #17

Yeah, I mean, I get your point greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #20

As you well know, juries have sided with police--even in overtly unjust cases-- for decades... hlthe2b Apr 2021 #22

All I'm saying is that there are a lot of people who greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #26

Just because you agree with blaming the victim for his own homicide doesn't mean it is just nor hlthe2b Apr 2021 #30

Ok greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #33

A lot get your points Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #35

You make it an all-COPS murder crowd which it is NOT. What it is is a crowd asking for justice hlthe2b Apr 2021 #36

ah so shooting a clearly unarmed child surrendering with his hands up is ok Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #73

No, that's not really "all you're saying." At all. LanternWaste Apr 2021 #88

+1000 Fla Dem Apr 2021 #79

Here's the lesson learned by the community Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #7

Well thankfully most 13 year old boys aren't running around Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #9

"Freeze!" Cop commands Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #11

I honestly couldn't tell if the kid dropped the gun before Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #15

Weird how cops seem to make mistakes all the time, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #48

I completely agree with you and most jurors will as well. Chakaconcarne Apr 2021 #70

I agree. Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author LudwigPastorius Apr 2021 #99

the gun was dropped/tossed and the kid turned around empty handed n/t orleans Apr 2021 #90

You missed a few steps greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #16

AND YOU MISS THE IMPORTANT POINT. The assailant WAS COMPLYING with orders and holding nothing in hlthe2b Apr 2021 #19

He was holding a gun behind a screen (the fence) one second before he was shot greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #21

Again, you argue against giving previously armed assailants ANY opportunity to peacefully surrender hlthe2b Apr 2021 #25

I am not greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #31

His hands were in the air following instructions with NO gun. The decision to kill him was apparent hlthe2b Apr 2021 #27

Disagree greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #32

Shooting a complying assailant in the process of giving up, arms and empty hands clearly in air is hlthe2b Apr 2021 #34

Yeah, we disagree on this and I've made my position clear greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #41

The decision was made decades ago, Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #49

There is, no doubt, a wide web of causes that led to this shooting greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #50

But a 13 year-old child Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #56

Seems much more complicated than that, though greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #58

thank you. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #74

I am shocked and utternly disheartened Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #87

I'd agree that the strobe light use by the cop was stupid and contributed to his shooting the kid. LudwigPastorius Apr 2021 #100

You've convinced me Miguelito Loveless Apr 2021 #45

My comments are about this specific case greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #46

of course, because there is absolutely no context to this whatsoever. Voltaire2 Apr 2021 #75

Context is important greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #77

To me as well Kammer Apr 2021 #38

The cop didn't even look at the kid's hands - they were EMPTY. dalton99a Apr 2021 #13

I just saw the video once, but was startled at how fast the boy turned around and put his hands up. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #18

Won't matter Marthe48 Apr 2021 #24

That's totally true. They likely were itching to shoot no matter what. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #29

The cop only saw it once sarisataka Apr 2021 #37

I'm exactly where you are on this but would probably vote not to charge greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #43

Reasonable in America twodogsbarking Apr 2021 #28

Reasonable to anyone who isn't a member of the ACAB outrage brigade n/t Devil Child Apr 2021 #39

Rather the ACAB brigade than the Blue Lives Matter modern day KKK. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #53

Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #55

"Hood" ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #62

Happy to help you update your case file there Sherlock n/t Devil Child Apr 2021 #64

I'm sure you are. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #67

What does ACAB stand for? n/t NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #95

All cops are bastards Danmel Apr 2021 #101

Ohh. Thanks. Mysterious acronyms drive me crazy! n/t NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #102

How seta1950 Apr 2021 #40

Which brings up the old saw Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2021 #47

The amount of support for the killing of a brown child here is sickening. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #51

+1 million. Spent my day off on DU with this topic and it is disgusting Arazi Apr 2021 #65

Another dead brown kid means nothing to them. Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #71

... orleans Apr 2021 #92

Maybe justified in old, racist, police policies. But not today. Fla Dem Apr 2021 #54

Justified on this board also. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #69

Amazing how this rarely happens to heavily armed white guys IronLionZion Apr 2021 #57

Reasonable in America for a 13 yr old to be out on the streets with a gun at 2:30 am ? MichMan Apr 2021 #61

Good for you. Let's examine this kid's life and see if the street was safer than home AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #76

A child Latin King with street name "lil homicide" armed with a handgun and shooting at cars at 2am Devil Child Apr 2021 #81

Children are children. As a schoolteacher, I don't care. AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #84

He obeyed what the officer ordered and was killed. n/t MarcA Apr 2021 #66

Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #104

Shooting Some Of The Traitors On 1/6 Would Have Been Reasonable COL Mustard Apr 2021 #78

Two Words: KYLE RITTENHOUSE joetheman Apr 2021 #80

See response #81 AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #85

Yes it sounds like the system failed him. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2021 #96

The attitudes and the thinking are "my point." AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #97

It depends how the video is shown madville Apr 2021 #83

I agree. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #94

Only thing that I think might be unreasonable in this case honestly is cstanleytech Apr 2021 #86

Good post. hamsterjill Apr 2021 #103

Seems to me Ramsey's POV BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #89

IT'S. YOUR. FUCKING. JOB. Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #106

With respect BeyondGeography Apr 2021 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Apr 2021 #93

So... don't bother dropping the weapon and raising your hands.... Happy Hoosier Apr 2021 #105