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122. MCE on two different threads here at DU...

Reply to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #118)

Thu Apr 22, 2021, 05:39 PM

Apr 2021

NOT ONE of the people with these opinions have answered my question about what THEY themselves wouldve wanted the cop to do if they were the girl in pink pinned up against the car with a knife coming at your neck/throat...."but did you see in slow down replay he had 2.2 seconds to tase her" "oh it wouldve just been a cut and both girls would still be alive after she was subdued"...its beyond amazing what people are saying here...I also stand by my believe that the same people calling for the taser wouldve complained had he immediately drawn the taser coming out of the car

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'She was a child.' White House comments on Ma'Khia Bryant shooting [View all] TexasTowelie Apr 2021 OP

I would have added that the WH was grateful exboyfil Apr 2021 #1

It wasn't just Ma'Khia who attacked the girls. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2021 #101

I am appalled Jilly_in_VA Apr 2021 #2

Child was armed with a knife and tried to stab another child. LisaL Apr 2021 #4

And Jilly_in_VA Apr 2021 #5

You are kidding, right? In the 9 seconds before she stabbed the other girl? caber09 Apr 2021 #6

Dylan Roof: still alive LearnedHand Apr 2021 #7

They weren't apprehended in the process of doing something. LisaL Apr 2021 #8

Rittenhouse was a travesty agreed... caber09 Apr 2021 #9

I have trouble with zero or execution LearnedHand Apr 2021 #10

So do I Jilly_in_VA Apr 2021 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author caber09 Apr 2021 #13

Are you serious? Had he ran the other girl would've been stabbed caber09 Apr 2021 #15

Seems to me Jilly_in_VA Apr 2021 #18

You seem awfully willing to sacrifice the other girl to try to make a point.. caber09 Apr 2021 #19

I am saying Jilly_in_VA Apr 2021 #66

FFS you would've let him stab the other girl wtf is wrong with you caber09 Apr 2021 #72

.... MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #129

That clip appears to be pretty definitive. Calista241 Apr 2021 #30

... MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #33

No. Jilly_in_VA Apr 2021 #67

You should apologize for being ill informed in this case and wrong.. caber09 Apr 2021 #69

I'm curious about that answer as well.... Chakaconcarne Apr 2021 #85

+1000 caber09 Apr 2021 #86

Peyton Ham. 16. Dead. . . . Journeyman Apr 2021 #21

+1 caber09 Apr 2021 #24

Never mentioned she was armed Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #3

In my post about police, you started splitting hairs AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #32

And you don't seem to care that this child was a split second away from MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #35

So you shoot a child. Gotcha! I'll remember that in my classroom. AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #36

Like I care. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #37

Okay there, Cowboy AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #39

Ooooh, how original, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #40

I think I am done with you. I refuse to get into with someone who thinks they are John Wayne AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #41

Again, how original, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #42

That child was much larger than the girl in pink, and was poised with a knife to stab her. pnwmom Apr 2021 #61

A 200 pound child committing murder. NT cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #70

A paring knife is not a gun. Did not need to end this way. Cops used to intervene and disarm/ defuse Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #11

So if you were in that situation you want the cop not to save you? That's very odd caber09 Apr 2021 #17

They are plenty of ways lethal use of force could have been avoided. Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #73

Not in this situation. In the time it took to type this..the girl would be stabbed at that point caber09 Apr 2021 #77

A paring knife can be lethal if you know where to hit Warpy Apr 2021 #20

+1 caber09 Apr 2021 #22

My hands can be lethal too, so anyone with hands on a police call has potentially lethal weapons AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #34

That's what they're trained to do if there is a weapon present Warpy Apr 2021 #45

Taser could work too, but we have a society where everyone wants to John Wayne or John McClane AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #47

There wasn't 2 seconds available to take a look hack89 Apr 2021 #68

A 2 second pause would have resulted in the murder of an innocent black girl protecting a puppy. NT cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #71

She might have gotten cut Warpy Apr 2021 #89

A knife stab in the neck is usually fatal, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #91

Kids that age think they're solid, like potatoes Warpy Apr 2021 #94

Would you be willing to take the risk that the carotid artery won't be severed or nicked? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #95

Going in with gun blasting was 100% sure to kill a kid. Warpy Apr 2021 #96

I made my point, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #97

Knock it off, he saved the other girls life...enough of this "oh the cut wouldve been ok bs" caber09 Apr 2021 #99

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #100

To downplay this weapon as a "paring knife" is dishonest in the extreme LongtimeAZDem Apr 2021 #153

I'll bow to your superior eyesight Warpy Apr 2021 #154

Like you, I come from a time before teenage girls having knife-fights in the street was a problem LongtimeAZDem Apr 2021 #155

It happened rarely where I was Warpy Apr 2021 #158

taser? pepper spray? tackle her and take the knife away? shoot in leg as very last resort? 15. Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #76

The girl in pink is DEAD with any of these choices, there were literally seconds to react, come on caber09 Apr 2021 #79

Glad you're not in uniform Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #80

No you arent, the girl would be dead, and you would look like a fool caber09 Apr 2021 #84

Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #87

Many jurisdictions have laws regarding shooting to wound. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2021 #88

It looks like he was too far away when it was about to happen. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #27

What about those less-than-lethal options: rubber bullets, beanbags, and so on? catrose Apr 2021 #31

there are plenty of ways. Trained military kill. Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #74

Suggestions that would make practical sense? NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #75

Wait I thought we are supposed to be against militarized police? Given what we see, it was justified caber09 Apr 2021 #78

This news conference shows the footage in real time and in slow motion. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #14

If he had his taser in hand instead of his gun a better ending might have happened. honest.abe Apr 2021 #81

Does a taser shoot from that distance? NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #137

35 feet according to wikipedia honest.abe Apr 2021 #138

Does it say how effective they are from 35 ft? we have seen close shots have no effect on people caber09 Apr 2021 #139

Feel free to read it. I sent the link. honest.abe Apr 2021 #140

That video looks very heavily edited Withywindle Apr 2021 #136

All that cop could do was... jcgoldie Apr 2021 #16

I hope the While House does not revisit this incident again. cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #23

Agreed...do we know if WH saw the video before commenting? caber09 Apr 2021 #25

If they didn't, should they be commenting? LisaL Apr 2021 #26

No, they shouldn't but I'm not sure I was just asking, do we know? caber09 Apr 2021 #28

I agree. Biden should not be commenting on each of these cases. NH Ethylene Apr 2021 #29

Nope, not gonna fault the cop this time NickB79 Apr 2021 #38

Something is wrong when people in a society have no issues and justify child killing AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #43

I have a lot of issues with killing children NickB79 Apr 2021 #44

So using a Taser wasn't an option? De-escalation? Secret Service put themselves between AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #46

To start NickB79 Apr 2021 #48

What most don't realize is that MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #50

+1 thank you for trying to talk sense into some of these posters.. caber09 Apr 2021 #52

Thank you. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #54

He did have a taser. honest.abe Apr 2021 #82

You've never been a cop have you? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #49

I don't see how de-escalation was possible at that range and with the knife already swinging ripcord Apr 2021 #51

Non lethal shot. This is a child. AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #53

You would've let the girl in pink die..that's on you caber09 Apr 2021 #55

Awesome isn't it. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #56

I'm against children being killed. Period. AZLD4Candidate Apr 2021 #57

But you would have allowed the girl in pink to be knifed in the neck because MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #58

You can't sayyou are against children getting killed bec you would've gotten the girl in pink killed caber09 Apr 2021 #59

But on the video we saw that the girl with the knife had ALREADY succeeded pnwmom Apr 2021 #64

The person being threatened with the knife was a child, too. The person already stabbed pnwmom Apr 2021 #63

Another issue, that "child" pfitz59 Apr 2021 #135

The stabber had already stabbed another girl and was poised to stab again. pnwmom Apr 2021 #62

This is not the same as the George Floyd case. Beacool Apr 2021 #60

Yes, it's a shame..but kaotikross Apr 2021 #65

The officer had a good chance to taser the girl if he had his taser in hand instead of his gun. honest.abe Apr 2021 #83

And if the mucscle spasms from the taser made the knife stab the other girl in the throat? ripcord Apr 2021 #90

And what if he missed shooting the girl with the knife and hit the girl in pink?? honest.abe Apr 2021 #92

But that didn't happen. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #93

I'm just amazed ripcord Apr 2021 #102

Did you watch the entire video and see the part I was referring to?? honest.abe Apr 2021 #105

+1000 Amazing how some people think...the girl in pink would be dead if they were in charge.. caber09 Apr 2021 #107

And the scenario I was responding to didnt happen either. honest.abe Apr 2021 #103

Nope, what ACTUALLY happened is he saved her life, so knock it off caber09 Apr 2021 #98

And killed another girl in the process. honest.abe Apr 2021 #104

Again HE SAVED the girl from getting stabbed...dont wield the knife then, the cop said stand down.. caber09 Apr 2021 #106

I completely agree the girl in pink is relieved and thankful for what the officer did... honest.abe Apr 2021 #108

Knife is a deadly weapon. LisaL Apr 2021 #109

+1000 I do not understand the "what about the girl with the knife" obsession caber09 Apr 2021 #111

Yes of course.. my point is why immediately draw a gun to teens fighting in their front yard. honest.abe Apr 2021 #113

What would the taser have done from that distance? No guarantee taser wouldve stopped girl w/knife caber09 Apr 2021 #110

I guess you didnt watch the video. honest.abe Apr 2021 #112

I'd be very surprised if drawing weapon was not the move with deadly weapon wielded in front of him caber09 Apr 2021 #114

Here is a screen grab at around 9:44. honest.abe Apr 2021 #116

Maybe this Maybe that...he didnt have any weapon drawn to begin with...had he come out of the car caber09 Apr 2021 #117

Why pull out a gun on teens fighting in their front yard?? honest.abe Apr 2021 #125

He DID NOT have his gun drawn initially watch the video, jesus caber09 Apr 2021 #132

When confronting someone with a deadly weapon, who seems intent on using it, yagotme Apr 2021 #142

I hear a lot of maybe's MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #118

MCE on two different threads here at DU... caber09 Apr 2021 #122

Most here don't realize just how Tasers have a limited use and range, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #123

+1000 caber09 Apr 2021 #124

Drop them?? Even a child? honest.abe Apr 2021 #126

This teenager was a split second away from shoving a rather large knife into MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #127

Yes I wouldve dropped her too to save the life of the other girl.. caber09 Apr 2021 #133

You have 12 seconds to guess the age of a person running around, yagotme Apr 2021 #141

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #143

Semper Fi, BTW. yagotme Apr 2021 #144

Back atcha devil dog. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #145

Unlike you, cop didn't have the luxury of viewing it in slow motion. LisaL Apr 2021 #119

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #120

+1000 caber09 Apr 2021 #121

Yeah, clearly the situation was difficult and things moving quickly and violently. honest.abe Apr 2021 #128

Have a great afternoon. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #130

I still dont get it...had the officer come out with taser drawn, same people wouldve complained.. caber09 Apr 2021 #134

The reality is that no matter what the cops do, they're wrong. Jedi Guy Apr 2021 #150

+1 LongtimeAZDem Apr 2021 #156

To my understanding, the cops were informed, via radio, that a oasis Apr 2021 #151

The 911 calls described a desperate scene: LongtimeAZDem Apr 2021 #157

One thing that people should have learned from the last four years is Jose Garcia Apr 2021 #115

Ah the Brett Favre rule. NT cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #131

And now, this: yagotme Apr 2021 #146

Yikes! TexasTowelie Apr 2021 #147

Just read through these threads; yagotme Apr 2021 #148

Well yeah, obviously. Jedi Guy Apr 2021 #149

I understand where you're coming from. yagotme Apr 2021 #152

Childhood ends at age 12 EX500rider Apr 2021 #159