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Fri May 14, 2021, 07:32 PM

49. A few things

Hi BRDS:

As usual ( ), we agree on most everything, particularly on how different the Rs are now vs during Watergate. However, there are a few specific points that I disagree, one pedantic, one kinda' relevant, and the last most relevant.

1) Howard Baker was not the Senate Minority or Majority Leader during Watergate. He only took on those roles on/after 1977, well after Nixon resigned and the criminal cases were over. Hugh Scott from PA was the R Minority Leader during Watergate (and probably a helluva' lot more forthright than the Turtle). In fact, I think it was Hugh Scott, along with Barry Goldwater and John Rhodes, who told Nixon in early August 1974 that most Rs had abandoned Nixon and that he would be impeached and convicted. Nixon resigned just a couple of days later. Of course, that would not happen today with our favorite insurrectionist party. But that is EXACTLY why you have something more than a toothless commission....you fight fire with fire.

2) Howard Baker and Minority Counsel Fred Thompson fed a lot of information directly to Nixon and his lawyers. They were not independent of Nixon by any means but actually aided him in the cover-up, probably unwittingly.

3) The battle today is for the hearts and minds of people. I do believe that, if trump and/or Congressional Rs were directly tied to the insurrection, there would be a massive loss of R votes. That's clearly why the Rs don't want a full blown investigation. Yes, we have the Department of Justice going after the foot-soldier insurrectionists, but a multi-prong attack (Congressional investigations, criminal investigations, and even civil cases) as to who or what was the real cause of the insurrection could expose the awful truth. That's the only way you crack conspiracies. It is most definitely not through part-time Commission members who do not have any real subpoena power. The Rs did us a lot of damage with a bare minority in the Senate in 2017-2019, and we should do the same.

And most importantly, since we control the DoJ and the US Attorneys, going after Congressional committee witnesses for contempt, perjury, and/or obstruction is now a real prospect. By contrast, that was NOT the case in 2017-2021 (and hasn't really been the case since January 2011, when we lost the House and Senate). This is first time in a decade we control the Congress and the USDoJ.

I know a LOT of Rs, not rising to level of MAGAts, who find what happened on January 6 repulsive. To the extent that trump or other R officials were directly involved, that would be devastating to these Rs, and they would either not vote or change their vote.

Getting the truth out is the best disinfectant and the best for democracy. And, yes, we CAN handle the truth! And, currently, we control all the levers for getting the truth out. It is a real sin not to use those.

MH

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