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Hugh_Lebowski

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32. Sounds like Apple really didn't give them much
Sat Jun 12, 2021, 04:27 PM
Jun 2021

"Consistent with the request, Apple limited the information it provided to account subscriber information and did not provide any content such as emails or pictures."

And I don't have reason to doubt them.

This MIGHT make the whole thing a bit less egregious by everyone involved as IIRC it's already been decided by courts in the past that the bar for this type of information is lower.

I remember going through the whole 'metadata' arguments back in the NSA spying scandal of the Bush era.

The question this does bring up in my mind, however, is ... where did these anonymous identifiers they gave to Apple/MS come from originally?

I think there's a chance that other data, that probably should be more private (my suspicion would be the deviceIDs of phones, which is a random but unique identifier for a handset), was leveraged to get these identifiers, and then basically the DoJ reached out to Apple to confirm who they belonged to.

Which in turn makes me suspicious they either used NSA resources to track calls, or subpoenaed mobile call records from carriers as well because tracking calls and texts by mobile phones would be done via deviceID and IP address and similarly cryptic data points. This would be 'metadata'.

IOW the 'starting point' of all this might've been a massive data-mining operation of mobile and internet usage records.

And THAT might be where some real illegality came into play.

No body knows nothing . . . . Lovie777 Jun 2021 #1
Paging Sergeant Schultz. Sergeant Schultz To The Commandant's Office COL Mustard Jun 2021 #35
A grand jury and a judge signed off on this, that is troubling bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #2
The easiest way to get the subpoenas gab13by13 Jun 2021 #3
Still, NAME THE JUDGE. mpcamb Jun 2021 #5
That is the scary part, gab13by13 Jun 2021 #6
This! I want to know the name of the judge. bamagal62 Jun 2021 #11
"A Grand Jury would indict a ham sandwich". maxsolomon Jun 2021 #10
if their gonna bribe the eukraine, Maxheader Jun 2021 #4
Good read bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #8
I'd think with all that loot and high-priced lawyers, their deniability would be more plausible. marble falls Jun 2021 #7
Question for the smart ones here bluestarone Jun 2021 #9
Would also like to know the answer to this. bamagal62 Jun 2021 #12
And they have plenty of money to hire some damn good lawyers. blueinredohio Jun 2021 #14
I get the point but a court subpoena is different than a congressional one Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #29
When Trump accuses others of crimes twodogsbarking Jun 2021 #13
Projection.... Wuddles440 Jun 2021 #19
Not buying the apple's bullcrap onetexan Jun 2021 #15
What I'd like to know seta1950 Jun 2021 #16
Witch hunt? Chainfire Jun 2021 #17
The subpoena was signed by Jocelyn Valentine and authorized by Deborah Robinson dalton99a Jun 2021 #18
Jocelyn Valentine should be arrested. rockfordfile Jun 2021 #28
Say you own a boarding house with 500 rooms. tavernier Jun 2021 #20
You answer the door and they hand you a subpoena telling you to give them the keys. You do. pnwmom Jun 2021 #24
I think I was more concerned tavernier Jun 2021 #31
How do you know no one was? Or who knew about this besides the paralegal pnwmom Jun 2021 #37
The Line Of Defense Here DallasNE Jun 2021 #21
She is a Reagan era appointment and was also the Judge for Manafort and remember, ShazamIam Jun 2021 #22
This is corruption and imo she should resign rockfordfile Jun 2021 #27
Judge for the arraignment of Manafort, trial judge IIRC was a dude named Ellis (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #30
Yes, Judge Robinson was the presiding Judge, link posted ShazamIam Jun 2021 #33
Seems like some civil lawsuits are called for here, being that these persons' civil rights and data, SWBTATTReg Jun 2021 #23
Everybody using the Oliver North defense. LMFAO sarcasmo Jun 2021 #25
I'm not buying Apple's response rockfordfile Jun 2021 #26
It is totally viable that they were given cryptic identifiers to start Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #34
Do you think the average American knows who Adam Schiff is? Or would recognize pnwmom Jun 2021 #38
There also exists a possibility they didn't recognize it even AFTER they did the work, yes Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #40
Sounds like Apple really didn't give them much Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #32
"WHAT THE F%#K ! monkeyman1 Jun 2021 #36
I bet if you went out onto any city street you'd find MOST people wouldn't recognize pnwmom Jun 2021 #39
hate to say it , but , ya got me on that one ! thank's !!! monkeyman1 Jun 2021 #41
There sure was a lot of dirt going on behind the scenes--and in the front, too. C Moon Jun 2021 #42
Of course they didn't know. After all, what are they? A software company? DFW Jun 2021 #43
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