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I totally disagree with Vindman. This is not the time for Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #1
Exactly..where might we be had he not stepped in??!! PortTack Sep 2021 #3
Vindman is correct, Milley did a good thing in a bad precedent. Milley needs to resign. marble falls Sep 2021 #4
No, Milley should be given a medal, he not only saved the country but the World. Escurumbele Sep 2021 #11
+1 n/t area51 Sep 2021 #18
He circumvented law. I'm glad he did it. But I do not want military leader circumventing ... marble falls Sep 2021 #21
"I'd like to hear how he justified what he did."...He needed to save the country and the World? Escurumbele Sep 2021 #25
I AGREE WITH YOU. Trump THE ANTI CHRIST. You get rid of evil at ANY opportunity Trueblue1968 Sep 2021 #182
No, Milley should resign, and then be given a medal of honor. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #52
The oath -- which I have taken, since I am a former army officer Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #83
Agreed Redleg Sep 2021 #97
I stand corrected. Just found a reply on DU that disqualifies my argument Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #100
Milley is in the chain of command Redleg Sep 2021 #102
He has the commander in chief above him. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #108
The president doesn't issue orders directly to subordinate commanders Redleg Sep 2021 #110
Ordinarily that is the case. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #111
This is possible but subverts the military Redleg Sep 2021 #112
Subordinates have the right to refuse an illegal order, but Milley has no right to stop them Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #115
Subordinates have not just the right to disobey illegal orders Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #143
Right or duty, Milley has no right to demand circumvention of chain of command Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #158
HE WANTED TO AVOID A POSSIBLE NUCLEAR WAR Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #163
He did. And he succeeded. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #164
Did you ever hear about the Battle of Copenhagen during the Napoleonic Wars? Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #173
It was the right thing to do in Milley's case too. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #178
General Milley is not in the chain of command. LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #120
That's the oath for enlisted personnel. Officers take a different oath. mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2021 #138
Oh please. former9thward Sep 2021 #67
But Milley feared that Trump might start a war. Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #87
That leads to anyone in the military going around the CIC. former9thward Sep 2021 #90
+1 DashOneBravo Sep 2021 #128
And there's precedent from the same fears when Nixon was president. Lonestarblue Sep 2021 #89
X 1000 2Gingersnaps Sep 2021 #118
Milley's oath was sworn to protect the US, not the military chain of command. mpcamb Sep 2021 #165
This message was self-deleted by its author mpcamb Sep 2021 #166
The precedent was set BidenRocks Sep 2021 #14
+ agree. iluvtennis Sep 2021 #62
why wouldnt this fall under- refusing an illegal order? mopinko Sep 2021 #41
What illegal order? former9thward Sep 2021 #63
should 1 be issued. mopinko Sep 2021 #93
No, Vindman gets a medal. Jon King Sep 2021 #59
Miley quite possibly circumvented an unlawful POTUS order from being carried out. hadEnuf Sep 2021 #75
So the same for Major General Smedley Butler? LiberalLovinLug Sep 2021 #85
No, that would set a bad precedent. Miley did the right thing...Trump should have been out Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #107
I agree. But all of this needs to be investigated, documented and safe guards put into place. Missn-Hitch Sep 2021 #113
What Milley did was a "soft" military coup, and cannot go unchallenged Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #8
Then there will be other military officials like Milley to stop them. Escurumbele Sep 2021 #16
Under normal circumstances Vindman's criticism may be legitimate. notinkansas Sep 2021 #55
In my most humble opinion Milley should explain himself to the Armed Services Committee groundloop Sep 2021 #31
I think that calling it a "soft coup" is stretching it quite a bit Redleg Sep 2021 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author Redleg Sep 2021 #99
Milley improperly inserted himself in the chain of command between prez and generals Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #121
Trump exceeded his authority and responsibility to the Constitution. NCjack Sep 2021 #103
Well okay. I certainly respect his opinion. underpants Sep 2021 #2
Defend and uphold the constitution against all enemies: especially Trump. Tetrachloride Sep 2021 #5
Yeah, there is that. Here's the oath all military officers take and that Milley took when he was KPN Sep 2021 #43
That is why you are a Lt Col. pwb Sep 2021 #6
Well put, thank you. Yes, Vindman, just be quiet, appreciate what was done. Escurumbele Sep 2021 #17
But we want our military to think as Vindman does. Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #95
If rank equaled "right"... you would still lose that argument FBaggins Sep 2021 #27
But he was also obviously unhinged. Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #96
Unfortunately, "obviously unhinged" isn't an authority that he is delegated FBaggins Sep 2021 #104
Trump was the civilian authority behind the insurrection. Which part of that doesn't Vindman JohnSJ Sep 2021 #71
THIS orangecrush Sep 2021 #172
Oh please...if Milley prevented a nuclear war, then he is a hero...this is out of line by Vindman Escurumbele Sep 2021 #7
Vindman blew the whistle and PUBLICLY testified- he did not use his authority to circumvent Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #12
Vindman did not have the authority to do anything besides what he did. Escurumbele Sep 2021 #20
There was no order to destroy the world by TFG, only the potential Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #26
Vindman atreides1 Sep 2021 #22
Vindman did "also breach his chain of command" FBaggins Sep 2021 #29
Vindman was supposed to be on that call, he wasn't eavesdropping Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #30
I like it! That would really screw with TFG's head in a serious way to boot! KPN Sep 2021 #44
Milley should resign as soon as Trump is indicted for crimes. FalloutShelter Sep 2021 #9
If Dump was going to start a nuclear war, I would have been ok with a military coup to stop it. roamer65 Sep 2021 #10
Sorry, Col. Vindman, but I strenuously disagree this time.... Hekate Sep 2021 #13
IF it happened as stated sarisataka Sep 2021 #15
Milley showed courage. He knew he would be asked to resign for breaking the rules. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #19
I think Milley would be shocked and even disappointed if there weren't consequences cadoman Sep 2021 #175
I agree with your points. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #176
Milley stepped in because the republican Senate failed. Turbineguy Sep 2021 #23
Everytime I hear twice impeached, OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #34
Exactly -- failed their pledge to uphold the Constitution. Milley did exactly that. KPN Sep 2021 #49
Bingo!! onetexan Sep 2021 #72
I Am Reminded Of This Quote smb Sep 2021 #24
I remember that episode LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #35
If the book is true, this would bad: OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #28
Yeah giving the Chinese a chance to nuke us 1st seems like a bad idea. nt EX500rider Sep 2021 #167
Imagine being a grunt on that first wave. OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #168
Well, his 15 minutes of fame are over. Bye. n/t Peregrine Took Sep 2021 #32
MSNBC's Morning Joe absolutely shreds GOP outrage over Milley: 'Are you stupid?' LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #33
Vindman on Fox news awesomerwb1 Sep 2021 #36
I for one shall wait for much more information than an excerpt from a book. chowder66 Sep 2021 #37
Thank you chia Sep 2021 #130
: ) chowder66 Sep 2021 #131
I can understand his point here! (depends on the WHOLESTORY) i guess. bluestarone Sep 2021 #38
The "civilian authority" that should have removed Trump had abdicated responsibility out of fear. highplainsdem Sep 2021 #39
Was there an actual order by Trump that Milley refused to obey? joetheman Sep 2021 #40
I'm afraid that you have it backwards FBaggins Sep 2021 #58
I don't disagree with you but I am asking about the legalities and if Millely is truly joetheman Sep 2021 #94
I think it depends on how accurate the book is. FBaggins Sep 2021 #114
It's NOT Treason ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #177
Think of all the backchannel conversations by the GOP military and civilian against President Obama. joetheman Sep 2021 #42
ftr, my nephew mopinko Sep 2021 #45
Sounds to me that as head of JCOS he was doing his job as ordered. KS Toronado Sep 2021 #46
Chain of Command toasty Sep 2021 #47
I disagree with the attacks on Gen. Milley but TomSlick Sep 2021 #134
Well then... toasty Sep 2021 #141
I don't see the answer to my question. TomSlick Sep 2021 #150
No toasty Sep 2021 #160
If it's there, I can't find it. TomSlick Sep 2021 #161
To put Gen. Milley's actions in perspective one Enoki33 Sep 2021 #48
OK, just as soon as General Milley receives a Congressional Medal of Honor. (nt) Paladin Sep 2021 #50
Many on the left. . . NQAS Sep 2021 #51
President Biden likely knew a lot, especially after Jan 1. Tetrachloride Sep 2021 #53
I"m sorry but as a retired naval officer, I say Vindman is wrong Farmer-Rick Sep 2021 #54
How often have we heard "The Constitution is not a suicide pact"? Qutzupalotl Sep 2021 #56
Vindman is totally wrong, there was no 'precedent' so Milley had to plan. Jon King Sep 2021 #57
Tell Vindman to piss up a rope. Firestorm49 Sep 2021 #60
Miley's oath was to protect our Constitution UpInArms Sep 2021 #61
What if the next Repub President puts in a die hard Repub 4 star general as Chairman. Calista241 Sep 2021 #69
I did not say that Milley should not face consequences UpInArms Sep 2021 #78
"Miley's oath was to protect our Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic" You nailed it! mpcamb Sep 2021 #84
I think this situation falls under the heading of Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #64
I disagree 100% AverageOldGuy Sep 2021 #65
Thank you for the information! 2Gingersnaps Sep 2021 #127
It is trumpty dumpty who would have tried to circumvent the chain of command for nuclear strike. iluvtennis Sep 2021 #66
Gen. Mark Milley is an American hero LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #68
+++ JohnSJ Sep 2021 #73
Not in this case Vindman. The civilian authority you speak of was behind the insurrection JohnSJ Sep 2021 #70
Where's the confirmation that the book is right? Postal Grunt Sep 2021 #74
Gen Milley first made sure established proceedures would be followed and mackdaddy Sep 2021 #80
"Milley WAS the chain of command for military orders..." LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #86
TFG Is Insane And The Cabinet Was Too Scared To Remove Him DanieRains Sep 2021 #76
Chain of command? Etherealoc1 Sep 2021 #77
I agree that Milley may have been attempting to insert himself into the chain of command, but... LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #79
I would rather that the general do something dubious Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #81
If anyone should resign it's most of the Repugs in the Senate SouthernDem4ever Sep 2021 #82
Jen Psaki discussed it briefly, in press conference: elleng Sep 2021 #88
"I have great confidence in Gen Milley" BigmanPigman Sep 2021 #124
Thanks; glad you caught it. elleng Sep 2021 #125
Gen Milley is smart SayItLoud Sep 2021 #91
Years of military activity after 9/11 have their effects Raven123 Sep 2021 #92
The president does not have the authority to de facto declare war by launching a first strike Redleg Sep 2021 #101
That's not true. The President CAN issue a first strike order Calista241 Sep 2021 #105
That is a policy review Redleg Sep 2021 #109
He would never have to declare war. Calista241 Sep 2021 #116
It's not about the president's authority- it's about the lawfulness of launching unprovoked attack Redleg Sep 2021 #148
That's incorrect - but also irrelevant to the current topic FBaggins Sep 2021 #136
Neither incorrect or irrelevant Redleg Sep 2021 #149
Nope FBaggins Sep 2021 #153
I think you need to sit this one out, Lt. Col. Cozmo Sep 2021 #106
If instead of talking to Dan Quayle to find a Constitutional path to overthrowing an election. 2Gingersnaps Sep 2021 #117
President Biden will decide. Crataegus Sep 2021 #119
Milly did the right thing. beemerphill Sep 2021 #122
Milley served his country well. JohnnyRingo Sep 2021 #123
Very sorry to see this, from Retired Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman. elleng Sep 2021 #126
So what's the problem? Mz Pip Sep 2021 #129
Lt. Col. Vindman makes a valid point. Milley had the right instincts, but he should have Martin68 Sep 2021 #132
No, there is nothing Miley did wrong. We almost lost our government because the "civillian JohnSJ Sep 2021 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Sep 2021 #135
Yeah, but where would we be if he hadn't done what he did? Joinfortmill Sep 2021 #137
Milley did not usurp power Deminpenn Sep 2021 #139
How can people write that General Miley did the right thing or the wrong thing marie999 Sep 2021 #140
Nazis: "We were just following the law." Tiger8 Sep 2021 #142
When Vindman made that statement, he didn't know Milley HAD followed procedures. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #144
Really? Interesting. LymphocyteLover Sep 2021 #152
Milley informed Esper, per standing policy. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #169
I didn't think the China calls were the problem as much as interfering in the normal command LymphocyteLover Sep 2021 #179
Yeah. That has not been de-classified or leaked. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #181
Yes, I'm not sure the real chain of commands for nukes is public LymphocyteLover Sep 2021 #183
I didn't know that sakabatou Sep 2021 #156
Vindman must not have known Esper was informed, per policy. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #170
That's actually what pardons were made for. malthaussen Sep 2021 #145
I'm with you on that MissMillie Sep 2021 #146
IMHO, Gen. Milley acted within the bounds of the PRP program as ordered by the D.O.D. radicalleft Sep 2021 #147
Disagree with Vindman here. Happy Hoosier Sep 2021 #151
Much still to know, but we know Milley would have done it with full awareness Hortensis Sep 2021 #154
Vindman is wrong Lithos Sep 2021 #155
Milley did good! BlueWavePsych Sep 2021 #157
Extreme Threats call for Extreme Measures tonekat Sep 2021 #159
I'm sure Milley didn't take this step lightly. AngryOldDem Sep 2021 #162
Milley did the right thing orangecrush Sep 2021 #171
I have to agree with Vindman Steelrolled Sep 2021 #174
I think we learned from the concentration camps what happens tavernier Sep 2021 #180
Revisiting this two weeks later and after the Generals' testimony before both House and Senate.... George II Sep 2021 #184
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