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Escurumbele

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7. Oh please...if Milley prevented a nuclear war, then he is a hero...this is out of line by Vindman
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 10:35 AM
Sep 2021

I am just puzzled, didn't Vindman do something similar? He did not have the power to prevent anything, but as a whistleblower he was able to help get the SOB impeached.

If you put both actions in a balance, saving the World seems to me the highest possible act of heroism anyone can accomplish. trump is a maniac, and if following orders from a maniac is a must for a military official without measuring the chaos that the order will bring to the country and the World then we are in trouble.

Milley has the duty to defend the country against foreign AND DOMESTIC enemies, trump is a domestic enemy.

I totally disagree with Vindman. This is not the time for Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #1
Exactly..where might we be had he not stepped in??!! PortTack Sep 2021 #3
Vindman is correct, Milley did a good thing in a bad precedent. Milley needs to resign. marble falls Sep 2021 #4
No, Milley should be given a medal, he not only saved the country but the World. Escurumbele Sep 2021 #11
+1 n/t area51 Sep 2021 #18
He circumvented law. I'm glad he did it. But I do not want military leader circumventing ... marble falls Sep 2021 #21
"I'd like to hear how he justified what he did."...He needed to save the country and the World? Escurumbele Sep 2021 #25
I AGREE WITH YOU. Trump THE ANTI CHRIST. You get rid of evil at ANY opportunity Trueblue1968 Sep 2021 #182
No, Milley should resign, and then be given a medal of honor. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #52
The oath -- which I have taken, since I am a former army officer Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #83
Agreed Redleg Sep 2021 #97
I stand corrected. Just found a reply on DU that disqualifies my argument Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #100
Milley is in the chain of command Redleg Sep 2021 #102
He has the commander in chief above him. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #108
The president doesn't issue orders directly to subordinate commanders Redleg Sep 2021 #110
Ordinarily that is the case. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #111
This is possible but subverts the military Redleg Sep 2021 #112
Subordinates have the right to refuse an illegal order, but Milley has no right to stop them Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #115
Subordinates have not just the right to disobey illegal orders Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #143
Right or duty, Milley has no right to demand circumvention of chain of command Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #158
HE WANTED TO AVOID A POSSIBLE NUCLEAR WAR Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #163
He did. And he succeeded. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #164
Did you ever hear about the Battle of Copenhagen during the Napoleonic Wars? Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #173
It was the right thing to do in Milley's case too. Beastly Boy Sep 2021 #178
General Milley is not in the chain of command. LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #120
That's the oath for enlisted personnel. Officers take a different oath. mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2021 #138
Oh please. former9thward Sep 2021 #67
But Milley feared that Trump might start a war. Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #87
That leads to anyone in the military going around the CIC. former9thward Sep 2021 #90
+1 DashOneBravo Sep 2021 #128
And there's precedent from the same fears when Nixon was president. Lonestarblue Sep 2021 #89
X 1000 2Gingersnaps Sep 2021 #118
Milley's oath was sworn to protect the US, not the military chain of command. mpcamb Sep 2021 #165
This message was self-deleted by its author mpcamb Sep 2021 #166
The precedent was set BidenRocks Sep 2021 #14
+ agree. iluvtennis Sep 2021 #62
why wouldnt this fall under- refusing an illegal order? mopinko Sep 2021 #41
What illegal order? former9thward Sep 2021 #63
should 1 be issued. mopinko Sep 2021 #93
No, Vindman gets a medal. Jon King Sep 2021 #59
Miley quite possibly circumvented an unlawful POTUS order from being carried out. hadEnuf Sep 2021 #75
So the same for Major General Smedley Butler? LiberalLovinLug Sep 2021 #85
No, that would set a bad precedent. Miley did the right thing...Trump should have been out Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #107
I agree. But all of this needs to be investigated, documented and safe guards put into place. Missn-Hitch Sep 2021 #113
What Milley did was a "soft" military coup, and cannot go unchallenged Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #8
Then there will be other military officials like Milley to stop them. Escurumbele Sep 2021 #16
Under normal circumstances Vindman's criticism may be legitimate. notinkansas Sep 2021 #55
In my most humble opinion Milley should explain himself to the Armed Services Committee groundloop Sep 2021 #31
I think that calling it a "soft coup" is stretching it quite a bit Redleg Sep 2021 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author Redleg Sep 2021 #99
Milley improperly inserted himself in the chain of command between prez and generals Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #121
Trump exceeded his authority and responsibility to the Constitution. NCjack Sep 2021 #103
Well okay. I certainly respect his opinion. underpants Sep 2021 #2
Defend and uphold the constitution against all enemies: especially Trump. Tetrachloride Sep 2021 #5
Yeah, there is that. Here's the oath all military officers take and that Milley took when he was KPN Sep 2021 #43
That is why you are a Lt Col. pwb Sep 2021 #6
Well put, thank you. Yes, Vindman, just be quiet, appreciate what was done. Escurumbele Sep 2021 #17
But we want our military to think as Vindman does. Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #95
If rank equaled "right"... you would still lose that argument FBaggins Sep 2021 #27
But he was also obviously unhinged. Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #96
Unfortunately, "obviously unhinged" isn't an authority that he is delegated FBaggins Sep 2021 #104
Trump was the civilian authority behind the insurrection. Which part of that doesn't Vindman JohnSJ Sep 2021 #71
THIS orangecrush Sep 2021 #172
Oh please...if Milley prevented a nuclear war, then he is a hero...this is out of line by Vindman Escurumbele Sep 2021 #7
Vindman blew the whistle and PUBLICLY testified- he did not use his authority to circumvent Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #12
Vindman did not have the authority to do anything besides what he did. Escurumbele Sep 2021 #20
There was no order to destroy the world by TFG, only the potential Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #26
Vindman atreides1 Sep 2021 #22
Vindman did "also breach his chain of command" FBaggins Sep 2021 #29
Vindman was supposed to be on that call, he wasn't eavesdropping Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #30
I like it! That would really screw with TFG's head in a serious way to boot! KPN Sep 2021 #44
Milley should resign as soon as Trump is indicted for crimes. FalloutShelter Sep 2021 #9
If Dump was going to start a nuclear war, I would have been ok with a military coup to stop it. roamer65 Sep 2021 #10
Sorry, Col. Vindman, but I strenuously disagree this time.... Hekate Sep 2021 #13
IF it happened as stated sarisataka Sep 2021 #15
Milley showed courage. He knew he would be asked to resign for breaking the rules. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #19
I think Milley would be shocked and even disappointed if there weren't consequences cadoman Sep 2021 #175
I agree with your points. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #176
Milley stepped in because the republican Senate failed. Turbineguy Sep 2021 #23
Everytime I hear twice impeached, OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #34
Exactly -- failed their pledge to uphold the Constitution. Milley did exactly that. KPN Sep 2021 #49
Bingo!! onetexan Sep 2021 #72
I Am Reminded Of This Quote smb Sep 2021 #24
I remember that episode LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #35
If the book is true, this would bad: OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #28
Yeah giving the Chinese a chance to nuke us 1st seems like a bad idea. nt EX500rider Sep 2021 #167
Imagine being a grunt on that first wave. OneCrazyDiamond Sep 2021 #168
Well, his 15 minutes of fame are over. Bye. n/t Peregrine Took Sep 2021 #32
MSNBC's Morning Joe absolutely shreds GOP outrage over Milley: 'Are you stupid?' LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #33
Vindman on Fox news awesomerwb1 Sep 2021 #36
I for one shall wait for much more information than an excerpt from a book. chowder66 Sep 2021 #37
Thank you chia Sep 2021 #130
: ) chowder66 Sep 2021 #131
I can understand his point here! (depends on the WHOLESTORY) i guess. bluestarone Sep 2021 #38
The "civilian authority" that should have removed Trump had abdicated responsibility out of fear. highplainsdem Sep 2021 #39
Was there an actual order by Trump that Milley refused to obey? joetheman Sep 2021 #40
I'm afraid that you have it backwards FBaggins Sep 2021 #58
I don't disagree with you but I am asking about the legalities and if Millely is truly joetheman Sep 2021 #94
I think it depends on how accurate the book is. FBaggins Sep 2021 #114
It's NOT Treason ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #177
Think of all the backchannel conversations by the GOP military and civilian against President Obama. joetheman Sep 2021 #42
ftr, my nephew mopinko Sep 2021 #45
Sounds to me that as head of JCOS he was doing his job as ordered. KS Toronado Sep 2021 #46
Chain of Command toasty Sep 2021 #47
I disagree with the attacks on Gen. Milley but TomSlick Sep 2021 #134
Well then... toasty Sep 2021 #141
I don't see the answer to my question. TomSlick Sep 2021 #150
No toasty Sep 2021 #160
If it's there, I can't find it. TomSlick Sep 2021 #161
To put Gen. Milley's actions in perspective one Enoki33 Sep 2021 #48
OK, just as soon as General Milley receives a Congressional Medal of Honor. (nt) Paladin Sep 2021 #50
Many on the left. . . NQAS Sep 2021 #51
President Biden likely knew a lot, especially after Jan 1. Tetrachloride Sep 2021 #53
I"m sorry but as a retired naval officer, I say Vindman is wrong Farmer-Rick Sep 2021 #54
How often have we heard "The Constitution is not a suicide pact"? Qutzupalotl Sep 2021 #56
Vindman is totally wrong, there was no 'precedent' so Milley had to plan. Jon King Sep 2021 #57
Tell Vindman to piss up a rope. Firestorm49 Sep 2021 #60
Miley's oath was to protect our Constitution UpInArms Sep 2021 #61
What if the next Repub President puts in a die hard Repub 4 star general as Chairman. Calista241 Sep 2021 #69
I did not say that Milley should not face consequences UpInArms Sep 2021 #78
"Miley's oath was to protect our Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic" You nailed it! mpcamb Sep 2021 #84
I think this situation falls under the heading of Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #64
I disagree 100% AverageOldGuy Sep 2021 #65
Thank you for the information! 2Gingersnaps Sep 2021 #127
It is trumpty dumpty who would have tried to circumvent the chain of command for nuclear strike. iluvtennis Sep 2021 #66
Gen. Mark Milley is an American hero LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #68
+++ JohnSJ Sep 2021 #73
Not in this case Vindman. The civilian authority you speak of was behind the insurrection JohnSJ Sep 2021 #70
Where's the confirmation that the book is right? Postal Grunt Sep 2021 #74
Gen Milley first made sure established proceedures would be followed and mackdaddy Sep 2021 #80
"Milley WAS the chain of command for military orders..." LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #86
TFG Is Insane And The Cabinet Was Too Scared To Remove Him DanieRains Sep 2021 #76
Chain of command? Etherealoc1 Sep 2021 #77
I agree that Milley may have been attempting to insert himself into the chain of command, but... LudwigPastorius Sep 2021 #79
I would rather that the general do something dubious Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #81
If anyone should resign it's most of the Repugs in the Senate SouthernDem4ever Sep 2021 #82
Jen Psaki discussed it briefly, in press conference: elleng Sep 2021 #88
"I have great confidence in Gen Milley" BigmanPigman Sep 2021 #124
Thanks; glad you caught it. elleng Sep 2021 #125
Gen Milley is smart SayItLoud Sep 2021 #91
Years of military activity after 9/11 have their effects Raven123 Sep 2021 #92
The president does not have the authority to de facto declare war by launching a first strike Redleg Sep 2021 #101
That's not true. The President CAN issue a first strike order Calista241 Sep 2021 #105
That is a policy review Redleg Sep 2021 #109
He would never have to declare war. Calista241 Sep 2021 #116
It's not about the president's authority- it's about the lawfulness of launching unprovoked attack Redleg Sep 2021 #148
That's incorrect - but also irrelevant to the current topic FBaggins Sep 2021 #136
Neither incorrect or irrelevant Redleg Sep 2021 #149
Nope FBaggins Sep 2021 #153
I think you need to sit this one out, Lt. Col. Cozmo Sep 2021 #106
If instead of talking to Dan Quayle to find a Constitutional path to overthrowing an election. 2Gingersnaps Sep 2021 #117
President Biden will decide. Crataegus Sep 2021 #119
Milly did the right thing. beemerphill Sep 2021 #122
Milley served his country well. JohnnyRingo Sep 2021 #123
Very sorry to see this, from Retired Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman. elleng Sep 2021 #126
So what's the problem? Mz Pip Sep 2021 #129
Lt. Col. Vindman makes a valid point. Milley had the right instincts, but he should have Martin68 Sep 2021 #132
No, there is nothing Miley did wrong. We almost lost our government because the "civillian JohnSJ Sep 2021 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Sep 2021 #135
Yeah, but where would we be if he hadn't done what he did? Joinfortmill Sep 2021 #137
Milley did not usurp power Deminpenn Sep 2021 #139
How can people write that General Miley did the right thing or the wrong thing marie999 Sep 2021 #140
Nazis: "We were just following the law." Tiger8 Sep 2021 #142
When Vindman made that statement, he didn't know Milley HAD followed procedures. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #144
Really? Interesting. LymphocyteLover Sep 2021 #152
Milley informed Esper, per standing policy. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #169
I didn't think the China calls were the problem as much as interfering in the normal command LymphocyteLover Sep 2021 #179
Yeah. That has not been de-classified or leaked. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #181
Yes, I'm not sure the real chain of commands for nukes is public LymphocyteLover Sep 2021 #183
I didn't know that sakabatou Sep 2021 #156
Vindman must not have known Esper was informed, per policy. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #170
That's actually what pardons were made for. malthaussen Sep 2021 #145
I'm with you on that MissMillie Sep 2021 #146
IMHO, Gen. Milley acted within the bounds of the PRP program as ordered by the D.O.D. radicalleft Sep 2021 #147
Disagree with Vindman here. Happy Hoosier Sep 2021 #151
Much still to know, but we know Milley would have done it with full awareness Hortensis Sep 2021 #154
Vindman is wrong Lithos Sep 2021 #155
Milley did good! BlueWavePsych Sep 2021 #157
Extreme Threats call for Extreme Measures tonekat Sep 2021 #159
I'm sure Milley didn't take this step lightly. AngryOldDem Sep 2021 #162
Milley did the right thing orangecrush Sep 2021 #171
I have to agree with Vindman Steelrolled Sep 2021 #174
I think we learned from the concentration camps what happens tavernier Sep 2021 #180
Revisiting this two weeks later and after the Generals' testimony before both House and Senate.... George II Sep 2021 #184
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