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mahatmakanejeeves

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2. "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, ..."
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:32 PM
Jan 2022

Not this again. Granted, Barnette applied to students, but I suspect that extending its coverages to teachers is not much of a stretch.

If the ghost of Antonin Scalia were to appear in Iowa's legislative chambers, it would start slappin' some legislators upside the head. With the assist, the Notorious RBG.

Blast from the DU past:

Mon Jun 14, 2021: On this day, June 14, 1943, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette was decided.

Sun Jun 14, 2020: On this day, June 14, 1943, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette was decided.

Sat Jun 15, 2019: Happy 76th anniversary, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

Thu Jun 14, 2018: Happy 75th anniversary, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.


West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

Argued March 11, 1943
Decided June 14, 1943


West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943), is a decision by the United States Supreme Court holding that the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment protects students from being forced to salute the American flag or say the Pledge of Allegiance in public school. The Court's 6–3 decision, delivered by Justice Robert H. Jackson, is remembered for its forceful defense of free speech and constitutional rights generally as being placed "beyond the reach of majorities and officials."

Barnette overruled a 1940 decision on the same issue, Minersville School District v. Gobitis, in which the Court stated that the proper recourse for dissent was to try to change the public school policy democratically. It was a significant court victory won by Jehovah's Witnesses, whose religion forbade them from saluting or pledging to symbols, including symbols of political institutions. However, the Court did not address the effect the compelled salutation and recital ruling had upon their particular religious beliefs but instead ruled that the state did not have the power to compel speech in that manner for anyone. In overruling Gobitis the Court primarily relied on the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment rather than the Free Exercise Clause.

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Decision of the Court

The Court held, in a 6-to-3 decision delivered by Justice Jackson, that it was unconstitutional for public schools to compel students to salute the flag. It thus overruled its decision in Minersville School District v. Gobitis (1940), finding that the flag salute was "a form of utterance" and "a primitive but effective means of communicating ideas." The Court wrote that any "compulsory unification of opinion" was doomed to failure and was antithetical to the values set forth in the First Amendment. The Court stated:

If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.

The Supreme Court announced its decision on June 14, Flag Day.

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Robert H. Jackson



Robert Houghwout Jackson (February 13, 1892 – October 9, 1954) was an American attorney and judge who served as an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court. He had previously served as United States Solicitor General, and United States Attorney General, and is the only person to have held all three of those offices. Jackson was also notable for his work as the Chief United States Prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials of Nazi war criminals following World War II.

Jackson was admitted to the bar through a combination of reading law with an established attorney, and attending law school. He is the most recent justice without a law degree to be appointed to the Supreme Court. Jackson is well known for his advice that, "Any lawyer worth his salt will tell the suspect, in no uncertain terms, to make no statement to the police under any circumstances", and for his aphorism describing the Supreme Court, "We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final." Jackson developed a reputation as one of the best writers on the Supreme Court, and one of the most committed to enforcing due process as protection from overreaching federal agencies.

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More:

Sun Feb 4, 2018: Gym teacher accused of assaulting student who wouldnt stand for Pledge of Allegiance

Mon Sep 8, 2014: Remembering the Brave Young Woman Who Refused to Say the Pledge of Allegiance Nearly 80 Years Ago



William (left) and Lillian (right) with father Walter Gobitas (via Jehovah’s Witnesses)

September 8, 2014
by Hemant Mehta

Usually, when I mention Jehovah’s Witnesses on this site, it’s not for a good reason. But we owe them a tremendous debt of gratitude.

In 1935, fifth-grader William Gobitas refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance because treating the flag like an idol went against his family’s JW faith. His 12-year-old sister Lillian did the same thing the next day.

They were both expelled from the Minersville School District in Pennsylvania quickly after that. Their parents were forced to pay for a private school, and that was the beginning of a lawsuit that went all the way up to the Supreme Court.

In 1940, in Minersville School District v. Gobitis, the Court ruled 8-1… in favor of the school district. Seriously. They said it wasn’t a violation of religious freedom to compel students to say the Pledge. It was such an awful decision, the Court (with a different makeup) reversed itself three years later in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/09/08/remembering-the-brave-young-woman-who-refused-to-say-the-pledge-of-allegiance-nearly-80-years-ago/



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Many years ago the Supreme Court held that public school students could not be required Ocelot II Jan 2022 #1
Oh, darn it. Not only did you beat me to it, but you even posted my favorite SC quote. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2022 #3
That's one of their best! Ocelot II Jan 2022 #10
"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, ..." mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2022 #2
And in the next Trump term, a Trump portrait in every classroom dalton99a Jan 2022 #4
This is a growing and serious threat. AngryOldDem Jan 2022 #5
I Was Gonna Say... GB_RN Jan 2022 #6
About the dickhead: dalton99a Jan 2022 #7
Republicans should just admit that they hate public education and, if elected, will force Lonestarblue Jan 2022 #8
Mr. Dickey needs a copy of the USSC case: madaboutharry Jan 2022 #9
My question ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Jan 2022 #11
Didn't recite pledge nowforever Jan 2022 #12
Did this senator fail in school and this is now his revenge..... turbinetree Jan 2022 #13
Another GQP bill requires teachers to wear SharonClark Jan 2022 #14
We are one of the few countries who force a pledge The Jungle 1 Jan 2022 #15
M Traitor G wanted non Christian members to swear on the Bible. Marcuse Jan 2022 #20
Listen I am not the brightest bulb, but.... The Jungle 1 Jan 2022 #21
Agreed, this bill does not pass constitutional muster minstrel76 Jan 2022 #16
Soooo... lonely bird Jan 2022 #17
B.S. issue... whether or not a teacher recites the pledge or is patriotic MissMillie Jan 2022 #18
That would get shot down pretty quickly. Initech Jan 2022 #19
Cause nothing quite says "freedom" like... LudwigPastorius Jan 2022 #22
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