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bluewater

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Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:28 PM Mar 2022

Ukrainian President Zelensky says NATO's Article 5 "has never been as weak as it is now" [View all]

Source: CNN

In an address on Tuesday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reiterated his call to close Ukrainian airspace after a night of air alarms heard "almost all over" the country.

"Each of the more than 800 Russian missiles that have hit our country is an answer to a long-standing question about NATO — whether the doors of the alliance are really open for Ukraine," Zelensky said while speaking from his office Tuesday afternoon. "If they were open, if it was honest, we would not have to convince the alliance for 20 days to close the skies over Ukraine, to close from the death being brought by the Russian Air Force. But ...they don't hear or don't want to hear us yet."

He went on to call out NATO's Article 5, the principle of collective defense, "weak" as the Russian invasion of Ukraine continues.

"Some states of alliance have intimidated themselves, saying that they can't answer. That they cannot collide with Russian missiles and planes in the Ukrainian sky. Because this, they say, will lead to escalation, will lead to the Third World War. … And what will they say if Russia goes further to Europe, attacking other countries? I am sure the same thing they say to Ukraine. Article 5 of the NATO treaty has never been as weak as it is now. This is just our opinion," he said.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-15-22/h_d9b893d94a3533f0d79d3d7447cd64d1



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Would NATO jets be able to stop incoming missiles? Chainfire Mar 2022 #1
Cruise missiles, yes William Seger Mar 2022 #36
Are Cruise missiles the bulk of what it destroying Ukrainian cities? Chainfire Mar 2022 #65
Don't know William Seger Mar 2022 #71
It sucks but Ukraine isn't in NATO. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2022 #2
If NATO won't defend genocide in a huge country like Ukraine, why would they defend Latvia? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #5
👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 onecaliberal Mar 2022 #8
Because they're part of the alliance. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2022 #11
The FEAR of Putin using nukes will exist regardless of Article Five Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #22
It's a legitimate concern. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2022 #48
Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #63
The US did not commit genocide in Iraq. Stop whataboutism. mathematic Mar 2022 #77
Please get a grip. Ukraine is not a NATO member. I'm sorry too but that's the way it is. PSPS Mar 2022 #12
NATO membership won't change the FEAR of Putin using nukes. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #24
I disagree. Putin will fear that a Baltic invasion will unleash NATO and its "nukes." PSPS Mar 2022 #28
Well, if Putin remains in power, we will definitely find out. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #33
Yes, my friend. We're all just along for the ride to our collective future (if any!) PSPS Mar 2022 #35
There are lots of countries with genocide currently NickB79 Mar 2022 #47
None of those is in NATO's backyard. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #60
Because Latvia IS a member of NATO James48 Mar 2022 #70
He's right, you know. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #3
What does Ukraine have to do with Article V? Gore1FL Mar 2022 #14
The Baltics will be seized after Russia catches its breath following the Ukraine genocide. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #25
So in 2070? Gore1FL Mar 2022 #52
NATO is acting weak, while Putin acts strong. So far, Putin has called NATO's bluff. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #64
How is NATO acting weak(ly)? Gore1FL Mar 2022 #68
And I'll start dating Angelina Jolie NickB79 Mar 2022 #57
Putin only needs to remain in power to "succeed" in Ukraine, that's it. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #59
I agree. drray23 Mar 2022 #32
Does Zelensky has that bad advisers? TomWilm Mar 2022 #4
And this is why Putin will seize the Baltic states with ease, if he gets away with Ukraine. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #6
Nonsense PSPS Mar 2022 #9
I'm happy to be wrong about this, but Marie Yavanovich and Zelenskyy agree. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #13
Well, we all have our opinions, but I don't want to trigger a nuclear response until we have to. PSPS Mar 2022 #16
It's pretty clear he didn't get away with Ukraine. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #10
Putin "gets away" with Ukraine if he continues to sow destruction, and remains in power. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #15
Putin failed in Ukraine. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #19
Well, at least that buys us a few years to live Polybius Mar 2022 #84
I'm Sure Putin Has Thrown More Than 55% Of His Ground Forces Into Ukraine DallasNE Mar 2022 #34
Atricle 5 was invoked after 9/11. It was never meant to cover invasions of non-member states. PSPS Mar 2022 #18
I agree, this was a misstep on his part. It doesn't serve him well to bash NATO like this. PSPS Mar 2022 #23
Zelenskyy's Audience Is Not NATO & USA DallasNE Mar 2022 #39
Of coourse. But I'm worried about his "addressing" of Congress tomorrow. PSPS Mar 2022 #45
If it was up to him, NATO would be fighting Russia right now Polybius Mar 2022 #85
Article V has only been tested once and it came through. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #7
Someone just posted that Turkey tried to invoke Articke 5 re: Syria and was rebuffed Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #17
NATO doesn't need to use nukes. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #21
Then why aren't they in Ukraine? Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #27
Because Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #29
If Russia didn't have nukes, NATO would already be in Ukraine, regardless that they aren't in NATO Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #31
No. NATO should never threaten to use nuclear weapons. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #38
BZZZT WRONG! NATO and the US have indeed stated they would USE NUKES FIRST bluewater Mar 2022 #49
Look up "should" in the dictionary. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #51
" instead of stalking me" You mean replying to your posts and pointing out errors? bluewater Mar 2022 #53
You have failed to point out any errors, though. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #54
HUGE ERROR --- "We haven't gone to war since WWII." bluewater Mar 2022 #55
Per the parameters stated by the person who posted #30 Gore1FL Mar 2022 #58
I was responding to YOUR post. This what you posted: bluewater Mar 2022 #62
Thank for admitting you reply was out of context. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #67
LOL Yep, replying to what someone actually wrote is "out of context"... bluewater Mar 2022 #69
If you'd have looked you'd see that we were making the same point. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #72
Honestly, I don't think you presented a clear point at all. bluewater Mar 2022 #75
The clear point. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #76
Which seems to have little to do with this post you replied to: bluewater Mar 2022 #79
Now you are forgetting what you posted. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #80
So no substantial reply? bluewater Mar 2022 #81
Who said threaten? I just said Putin should be afraid NATO would use nukes. Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #61
NATO policy has been to THREATEN to use nukes first actually, even against a conventional attack bluewater Mar 2022 #66
Nukes makes people lazy ... TomWilm Mar 2022 #44
Which is exactly why Ukraine was foolish to give up their nukes Polybius Mar 2022 #86
Read behind the lines ... TomWilm Mar 2022 #20
If NATO is as weak as people on DU seem to think it is, then Trump was right to want to get out. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #26
It has not always come through. former9thward Mar 2022 #30
Two Libyan SU-22's attacked U.S. planes in the gulf of Sidra in the early 1980s. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #37
"We haven't gone to war since WWII." bluewater Mar 2022 #40
When did congress pass the war declarations? Gore1FL Mar 2022 #43
"We haven't gone to war since WWII." LOL bluewater Mar 2022 #46
I didn't. The specific statement in post 30 that mentioned the congress declaration requirement. Gore1FL Mar 2022 #50
In the incident you describe the U.S. did not request NATO assistance. former9thward Mar 2022 #41
I am pretty sure Biden is an inside body. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #42
good analysis bluewater Mar 2022 #74
excellent points bluewater Mar 2022 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Mar 2022 #87
Unless Putin really want to start WWIII I don't think he would attack a NATO country. marie999 Mar 2022 #56
We don't know if article 5 is weak or not. It hasn't been tested. Chainfire Mar 2022 #78
So you are saying the world is outraged. ripcord Mar 2022 #82
Oh how would he know? Polybius Mar 2022 #83
Ok. Someone explain to me why... Blue_playwright Mar 2022 #88
The impossibility of "closing the airspace" is just a myth NATO tell us TomWilm Mar 2022 #89
Thank you, that helps Blue_playwright Mar 2022 #90
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