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paulkienitz

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98. third parties might be fine if it weren't for the electoral college
Thu Jul 28, 2022, 02:45 PM
Jul 2022

The Electoral College punishes third parties and makes them irrelevant unless they can basically steal a majority right away from existing parties. I think that's what the Yangsters are hoping for.

If we had a different voting system, like a ranked choice popular vote, then third parties would fluorish because they could contribute their positives without the penalty of being spoilers for the consensus majority.

I would like to hear somebody articulate a centrist position which acknowledges why centrism has failed and everyone has gone to the edges, which is basically because of income inequality and wage suppression. People are not supporting moderate status quo policies because the status quo is not supporting them back. This is the core of why Hillary wasn't able to sail to easy victory with a centrist position.

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Patriot Party without Ross Perot and without money bucolic_frolic Jul 2022 #1
Perot was the Reform Party brooklynite Jul 2022 #69
Our current 2 party system does need to change nt captain queeg Jul 2022 #2
No it doesn't. I can't stand Yang..this is all about his pout after the primary and f'ng over Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #37
Yep. sybylla Jul 2022 #40
third parties might be fine if it weren't for the electoral college paulkienitz Jul 2022 #98
I do not believe in third parties. I look around and see minority governments who have way less Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #99
If we had a different voting system, there would be more than 3 parties SouthernDem4ever Jul 2022 #111
They won't make it onto enough state primary ballots, right? ancianita Jul 2022 #114
Um... One of the parties of that 2 party system is insane ck4829 Jul 2022 #72
I prefer building the coalitions before the government is formed than after. nt Gore1FL Jul 2022 #81
Absolutely! Two party rule is one party away from one party rule...Learned nothing from Alexander Of Assyria Jul 2022 #88
Fuck you, Andrew Yang choie Jul 2022 #3
Indeed. mzmolly Jul 2022 #16
+1 SunSeeker Jul 2022 #51
Heard/saw a New Jersey R Congressman discussing this recently. elleng Jul 2022 #4
Oh look party spoilers again hopefully people learned from the last round of this bullsht Fullduplexxx Jul 2022 #5
Well, good luck to them and the Red Sox Warpy Jul 2022 #6
K&R!! onetexan Jul 2022 #63
Spoilers. paleotn Jul 2022 #7
I can't believe someone woke up thinking, "What this country needs is another center-right party." Efilroft Sul Jul 2022 #8
My thoughts as well nt drmeow Jul 2022 #102
Andrew Yang and Christine Todd Whitman geomon666 Jul 2022 #9
That was my thought too.... Whitman? Someone dug her up? BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #13
She's fine, as far as Republicans go. But I'm glad Yang never came close to the nomination. nt pnwmom Jul 2022 #15
Being in PA, I remember when she was Governor of NJ BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #18
These days there are two kinds. The Trump-Republicans and the rest. pnwmom Jul 2022 #20
We have some "normal" Republicans here in Philly BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #25
yeah, I agree. They're the anti-establishment party. But as long as they draw most of their members pnwmom Jul 2022 #54
Whitman screwed up NJ ramapo Jul 2022 #73
Hold fast, Democrats, progressives and liberals. Let the cons and GQP schism. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #10
+1 OneCrazyDiamond Jul 2022 #41
If this finally destroys the Repuke Party - it's great news FakeNoose Jul 2022 #11
It won't LeftInTX Jul 2022 #34
It will Rebl2 Jul 2022 #75
If it's center right newdayneeded Jul 2022 #76
Two thirds? Each half thinks the other half should schism. RepubliQons much more likely. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2022 #12
I've always thought we needed a Labor Party, Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2022 #14
A Labor party could have worked in the 1930s to 1950s. former9thward Jul 2022 #29
For why? So they could lose every election like in UK. We do not need third parties. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #38
The appropriate UK analogy is the LibDems. speak easy Jul 2022 #82
It has been almost 20 years since they held power..and another Tory will be PM...no to third parties Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #83
It's been 12 years since the Conservatives won in 2010. Labour held power for 13 years before that. speak easy Jul 2022 #112
Fuck this, we don't need a third party. We need a second party. DinahMoeHum Jul 2022 #17
A fucking Fascist Cult! & Fuck OFF to the ME party.. Cha Jul 2022 #100
Question DownriverDem Jul 2022 #19
If Paul Krugman, AOC, Katie Porter, Malcolm Nance, Mr. Evil Jul 2022 #21
This is a horrible idea. Mickju Jul 2022 #22
Maybe if we had a ranked choice or instant runoff system it would be fine IronLionZion Jul 2022 #23
I'd support ranked choice and/or instant runoff catrose Jul 2022 #32
This garbage plays into the notion that both parties are equally flawed. Bleacher Creature Jul 2022 #24
++++++++++++++++ not fooled Jul 2022 #26
+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #56
Good Description of Yang 3rd party RF. Cha Jul 2022 #101
Hell no!!! oasis Jul 2022 #27
Bad idea for Democrats. gab13by13 Jul 2022 #28
At this critical juncture, peeling off Democratic votes would be problematic dlk Jul 2022 #30
Any third party will favor the Reichwing Orrex Jul 2022 #31
We saw what damage a third party can do in 2016 William769 Jul 2022 #33
Not to mention 2000! deurbano Jul 2022 #35
Really? This should be interesting. Certainly complicates the picture. Makes it even harder to Martin68 Jul 2022 #36
A third party should never happen...when will learn? Fuck all third parties...that peel of Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #39
Aye, there's the rub. We don't want a Third Party if it will hurt the Democrats, but we love one if Martin68 Jul 2022 #43
Vote! Vote! Vote Democratic! Row A all the way! Marcuse Jul 2022 #42
No policies LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #44
The Democratic Party BaronChocula Jul 2022 #45
THIS SunSeeker Jul 2022 #52
+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #57
Dems must go all in on crisp, repetitive, compelling messaging. JudyM Jul 2022 #64
"The party, which is centrist, has no specific policies yet" - pretty much says it all NullTuples Jul 2022 #46
I suggest they call themselves The Loser Party. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #53
The Gadfly Party. AZLD4Candidate Jul 2022 #62
interesting... myohmy2 Jul 2022 #47
I was hoping for an Onion logo. live love laugh Jul 2022 #48
I see lots of republicans from lots of republican administrations. Andrew Yang is wiggs Jul 2022 #49
Spoilers. truthisfreedom Jul 2022 #50
I seen this shit before Cheezoholic Jul 2022 #55
With a winner take all system, the incentive is for the 'losers' to consolidate Model35mech Jul 2022 #67
No policies. Not Left. Not Right. Forward. In other words, the generic no brand party. betsuni Jul 2022 #58
Ha mahina Jul 2022 #59
That's not a party name. It's a slogan. BWdem4life Jul 2022 #60
I remember when Ralph Nader stole Florida from Al Gore. Mawspam2 Jul 2022 #61
Here we go again. A third party just in time to get GOP nuts in office. Vinca Jul 2022 #65
This needs to be illegal and struck down... SuperCoder Jul 2022 #66
Whaaaaat ?? stopdiggin Jul 2022 #95
Under which country's Constitution would that work? AllTooEasy Jul 2022 #103
Ranked choice voting appeals to me. rubbersole Jul 2022 #68
I'll reserve judgement until I see their platform, candidates, campaign strategy & financial backing AllTooEasy Jul 2022 #105
I think Yang was supported mostly by younger voters. Lonestarblue Jul 2022 #70
A kinder, gentler PNAC fascist party? Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2022 #71
Rich people. hamsterjill Jul 2022 #74
How far right are the self-styled moderates? nt hay rick Jul 2022 #77
I'm all for it, if it peels away centrist republicans from the MAGA party. Mosby Jul 2022 #78
I see lots of Republicans who were/became never Trump and Andrew Yang. Justice Jul 2022 #79
Trojan Horse? Potemkin Village? False Flag? machoneman Jul 2022 #80
Oh FFS! 2naSalit Jul 2022 #84
I wonder what deep pocket is funding them? BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #86
Probably the same... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #89
Friends like the Mercers... rubbersole Jul 2022 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author rubbersole Jul 2022 #107
Another Republican Party. yardwork Jul 2022 #85
Many Republicans don't recognize what their party has become Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2022 #92
I think Andrew Yang is the only Democratic JustAnotherGen Jul 2022 #87
Yang is not a Democrat. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #93
A true parliamentary system would be great The Mouth Jul 2022 #90
If only a parliamentary system could ever be implemented The Mouth Jul 2022 #91
In my eyes there is NOTHING wrong with OUR Democratic party now. (replacing a couple Dems.maybe) bluestarone Jul 2022 #94
Great Idea, if you want Congress to pick our president and vice-president. Dysfunctional Jul 2022 #96
So many Repubs cited or involved... Whatthe_Firetruck Jul 2022 #97
Spoiler alert! TexasBushwhacker Jul 2022 #104
Wallace did not make Nixon president. former9thward Jul 2022 #116
Bullshit posting crap like this on a Democratic website. NT William769 Jul 2022 #108
Spolier alert 867-5309. Jul 2022 #109
If Susan Sarandon says she's joining them - don't anybody stop her! FakeNoose Jul 2022 #110
Andrew Yang is a sore loser. So he picks up all of his toys and sulks. Politicub Jul 2022 #113
The quickest and IMO, the only realistic, way to establish a viable third party would be to convince Midwestern Democrat Jul 2022 #115
Says a lot to me when the first thing mentioned about the Platform is about the economy (money) Samrob Jul 2022 #117
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