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Kelvin Mace

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40. Describe "forseeable future"
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:04 PM
May 2013

I am seeing them under a $2,000 within five years.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with a Compugraphics salesman in 1989. Compugraphic sold photo-digital typesetters, state of the art stuff that ran $50,000 and up and required an elaborate developing process and expensive ($1 a page) photo paper. I asked him what was the company's strategy now that LASERs were coming on strong and cheap (a nickel a page). His response is that his product line was safe because:

1) LASERs didn't have anywhere near the resolution of typesetters (true at the time, 300 dpi versus 2400 dpi).

2) LASERs were too slow.

3) People were not going to dump equipment they had invested hundreds of thousands of dollars, or even millions, for "tinker toys" run by "unreliable" PCs.

I pointed out to him that:

1) 600 dpi printers were due out the next year and that most people not in the trade couldn't tell the difference between 600 and 2400dpi without a magnifying glass, especially when printed on newsprint.

2) This was only true when you left the developing process out of the equation, and again, faster printers were coming next year.

3) People would dump expensive equipment despite the investment when they were spending a similar amount on consumables, a price that would drop 95% with LaserJet printers. Also, given the choice between $250,000 workstations which could only set type and $10,000 PCs that could set type and much more, getting rid of the equipment would be a no-brainer.

In fact, we dumped all our equipment within 18 months, and he lost his job shortly after that as the typesetting division scaled back.

All the points you make are completely true, but as I keep explaining we deal in fact, they deal in "perception". The allure of a "unregistered", "untraceable" gun will be too much for these folks, and ultimately, 3-D guns is not something the gun makers can let stand.

Only good guys with 3D printers will be able to stop this n/t Blandocyte May 2013 #1
+1 OrwellwasRight May 2013 #44
LOL! CarrieLynne May 2013 #45
Humans....geez............just what the world needs.....a homemade plastic gun... Gin May 2013 #2
We love discovering new ways to kill one another. Heather MC May 2013 #81
Link please? azurnoir May 2013 #3
NPR has it here Whoopdedoo May 2013 #7
ummm thanks n/t azurnoir May 2013 #8
That's not the link to the article in the OP. See post #4... n/t Turborama May 2013 #11
Sorry, Kelvin Mace May 2013 #10
thanks azurnoir May 2013 #14
Link Turborama May 2013 #4
Barrel is still made of metal, the pistol is then built around the barrel. Ikonoklast May 2013 #5
For now, Kelvin Mace May 2013 #12
Actually no, the barrel is polymer too NickB79 May 2013 #21
You are correct, I see they placed a piece of steel inside the frame to make it detectable. Ikonoklast May 2013 #33
The original "Liberator" gun was pipoman May 2013 #6
Home made guns are nothing new... tinrobot May 2013 #9
Not quite Kelvin Mace May 2013 #16
A simple gun can be as simple as a pipe and a shotgun shell... tinrobot May 2013 #25
Describe "forseeable future" Kelvin Mace May 2013 #40
3D printers are already under $2000... tinrobot May 2013 #49
All you would need is a few basic tools, and the raw materials. Ikonoklast May 2013 #35
Again, more sophisticated Kelvin Mace May 2013 #36
You don't need $8000.00 to make one. Ikonoklast May 2013 #39
Prices will fall Kelvin Mace May 2013 #41
Still way more than fifty bucks, or less. Ikonoklast May 2013 #46
Hop on over to your local state prison and ask to see their homemade firearms collection - created jtuck004 May 2013 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono May 2013 #54
Related article regarding Senator Schumer's Sunday news presser below Tx4obama May 2013 #13
I am quite sure they will be able to make them illegal Kelvin Mace May 2013 #17
Kiddie porn is easy to make too. We still make it illegal. baldguy May 2013 #51
More Schumer quotes in the article below Tx4obama May 2013 #48
Schumer will have some First Amendment problems with that legislation. N/T GreenStormCloud May 2013 #57
That will be funny to see the NRA say there is a gun they don't like. Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #15
They'll frame it as a concern for safety Orrex May 2013 #19
No they won't. Savannahmann May 2013 #24
They don't care about safety. They care about money. Orrex May 2013 #26
Again, no they won't. Savannahmann May 2013 #29
I still disagree with you, but you make an interesting case Orrex May 2013 #37
They will object when someone tries to pass a law. Savannahmann May 2013 #50
Sigh. Orrex May 2013 #53
Might be believable but they defended $60 Ravens... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #27
The NRA is concerned with gun manufacturers, period. tinrobot May 2013 #28
I would expect gun manufacturers to ramp up production of 3-D gun printers. MotherPetrie May 2013 #43
Why can't these "patriots" just 3D print things like an exact model of the Mayflower? Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #58
Good question! It's certainly loaded with enough phallic symbols. OTOH, they don't shoot anything MotherPetrie May 2013 #61
They won't have to say anything. Kablooie May 2013 #82
This unnecessarily and unfairly targets cosmicone May 2013 #18
I object because it infringes upon my plans to print my own customized LEGO elements. Orrex May 2013 #20
omg genius, i think this is how i will buying one to my wife. loli phabay May 2013 #34
Wait a couple of years until they get the tolerances tighter Orrex May 2013 #38
That is so cool! Pterodactyl May 2013 #59
Well, given that these things Kelvin Mace May 2013 #23
So question. Does this mean the NRA will oppose background checks for 3D printers? Savannahmann May 2013 #22
Jeez, and I can't even print a 3 page spreadsheet without a F'ing paper jam! n/t hughee99 May 2013 #30
Is that you, Samir? kentauros May 2013 #64
PC load letter? What the fuck does that mean? n/t hughee99 May 2013 #66
Make it illegal like printing money Politicalboi May 2013 #31
Bittorrent and Tor Kelvin Mace May 2013 #42
Mandate a "V Chip" in all 3-D printers mwrguy May 2013 #32
Two problems with that. Pterodactyl May 2013 #60
There's all sorts of ways to put markers in the polys used. marble falls May 2013 #47
Helpful Kelvin Mace May 2013 #70
But that is true about any gun. Balistics work only if the gun hasn't been 'disapeared'. marble falls May 2013 #74
A gun made of plastic Kelvin Mace May 2013 #75
3D Printer? Staples Says, 'Yeah, We've Got That' Purveyor May 2013 #52
Heck, they could just print it after they get on the plane! grahamhgreen May 2013 #56
The printer is a bit bullky Kelvin Mace May 2013 #69
LOL. The TSA is a scam: grahamhgreen May 2013 #76
Not to sound fatalist XVI_Eyes May 2013 #62
Yeah---but just watch the battle that pro-gun militants wage.... Paladin May 2013 #63
Okay, kentauros May 2013 #65
No - if making and distributing the plans is legal then there is no criminal liability hack89 May 2013 #67
Okay, thanks. kentauros May 2013 #71
Good question Kelvin Mace May 2013 #68
Thank you. kentauros May 2013 #72
Told ya. sofa king May 2013 #73
Cody Wilson's motto: Turbineguy May 2013 #77
It should be called the Darwinator Snake Plissken May 2013 #78
on the big bang theory howard and raj made little dolls of themselves w/a 3-d printer orleans May 2013 #79
When I first heard about this technology Kelvin Mace May 2013 #80
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