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Igel

(35,191 posts)
78. They're stuck with it.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:05 PM
Jun 2013

They're not saying "could have" or "should not have".

They're saying what I would transcribe as "could've" and "shouldn't've". Not in the list of licit contractions handed down from our forefathers, but still it's how we speak.

Not licit contractions, but at some point people stop having a register in which "shouldn't have" is pronounced as "shouldn't" and "have". They cliticize the function words and it's nice to have a way of representing the cliticization. It's how we got words like "it's" and "won't", after all.

That poor young woman. elleng Jun 2013 #1
holy schmoly NoOneMan Jun 2013 #2
her words, she dictated it to a friend n/t OKNancy Jun 2013 #5
If they don't allow a dictated letter, a whole lotta business lawsuits have to be reopened TrogL Jun 2013 #9
Secretaries from back in the day will tell you that they had to clean up a lot of stuff that CTyankee Jun 2013 #55
I agree. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #7
It is perfectly acceptable to write or read for someone if they have a disability or believe DhhD Jun 2013 #32
Is the inability to read cursive a disability? enlightenment Jun 2013 #37
http://www.medicinenet.com/dyslexia/article.htm DhhD Jun 2013 #76
Another reversal; that should be IV (fourth edition). DhhD Jun 2013 #82
Dyslexia is a disability. enlightenment Jun 2013 #96
Have you ever heard of learning disabilities? Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #102
Of course I have, enlightenment Jun 2013 #112
No, but.... all american girl Jun 2013 #81
not being taught in schools-, or minimal exposure- institutional disability? lunasun Jun 2013 #98
don't know neversaydie Jun 2013 #114
Not sure what was proved here LynneSin Jun 2013 #3
She said she wrote the letter. former9thward Jun 2013 #14
Perhaps, her friend read the letter back her for approval? targetpractice Jun 2013 #24
Perhaps she should not of said she wrote it. former9thward Jun 2013 #31
did you just write this? frylock Jun 2013 #74
She did neither but said she did. former9thward Jun 2013 #80
dictated but not read.. frylock Jun 2013 #87
Dictated to who? former9thward Jun 2013 #88
i'm not an attorney, so i'll defer.. frylock Jun 2013 #90
Except for a thread or two on DU I am not following the trial at all. former9thward Jun 2013 #92
It is irrelevant John2 Jun 2013 #52
How could the Defense place it in evidence when its the prosecution's case? former9thward Jun 2013 #60
She was the "author" of the letter. ieoeja Jun 2013 #63
Wrong on all counts and no court would accept your argument. former9thward Jun 2013 #64
I can read what that software transcribes and fix any errors hack89 Jun 2013 #71
She also added under oath Nevernose Jun 2013 #67
It is not the same in court. former9thward Jun 2013 #69
She didn't write the letter to submit as official evidence. antigone382 Jun 2013 #94
Or in her mind, she dictated the letter meaning she "wrote" it. nt justiceischeap Jun 2013 #70
My son is dyslexic, when he was younger, I would help him write his papers. all american girl Jun 2013 #85
Someone Else Wrote the Letter erpowers Jun 2013 #30
It wasn't embarassing at all OKNancy Jun 2013 #4
Then why didn't she print the letter herself? Lasher Jun 2013 #35
Another cursive thread is exploring this JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #6
Why would anyone sign something they dont understand though? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #8
I don't know JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #17
Maybe her friend read it back to her for approval? n/t targetpractice Jun 2013 #25
So who is the friend? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #38
Disagree Totally DallasNE Jun 2013 #44
Ever get a mortgage? Check a user agreement saying you read it? nolabear Jun 2013 #27
I understand. But it was only one page. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #33
She had to get a friend to help write it. OnlinePoker Jun 2013 #48
I suspect it happens all the time, elleng Jun 2013 #34
The headline is very misleading because she never claimed to write the letter... nenagh Jun 2013 #12
That's what I thought JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #18
Just seems unfair, doesn't it.. nenagh Jun 2013 #23
Creole was the first language she spoke at home. She is a person who is of Haitian background and kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #10
She had a friend write it for her Marrah_G Jun 2013 #11
I know plenty of white, black, and hispanic high school kids who can't read cursive. it isn't kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #13
Fair point JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #21
It isn't being taught in a lot of schools? Demoiselle Jun 2013 #22
A lot of districts may be teaching keyboarding instead of penmanship these days. TheDebbieDee Jun 2013 #29
Schools started to drop it, but I recently read that they are enlightenment Jun 2013 #41
I find it difficult to write in cursive any more. Being retired, I don't print out addressed CTyankee Jun 2013 #56
Yes Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #101
Yup! Ability to read/execute cursive script has nothing to do with intelligence woodsprite Jun 2013 #58
Lousy educational system we have in this country. Beacool Jun 2013 #109
She did have a friend dictate the note npk Jun 2013 #15
You got that right. freshwest Jun 2013 #61
dictate means auntsue Jun 2013 #100
who cares if someone can't read cursive CreekDog Jun 2013 #16
I think it is a trap by the prosecution. cosmicone Jun 2013 #19
The defense started out with a knock-knock joke FFS. MH1 Jun 2013 #43
Didn't hear her full testimony, but I heard nothing that changes my opinion that Zman Hoyt Jun 2013 #20
She can't read cursive. And, English is her third language. mzmolly Jun 2013 #26
Its not her third language. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #36
English is her third language. First is Creole and Second is Spanish. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #105
Thank you for making that point. Wonder how racists would do in a similar situation. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #106
English only baby neversaydie Jun 2013 #115
dictated but not read.. frylock Jun 2013 #28
The defense attorney is doing his job. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #40
so what is he hoping to establish? frylock Jun 2013 #42
In my opinion (and that is all it is), he is trying to place doubt JDPriestly Jun 2013 #45
you're most likely correct.. frylock Jun 2013 #49
What was the testimony from yesterday? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #53
person on top was the shooter.. frylock Jun 2013 #54
from yesterday's thread.. frylock Jun 2013 #57
Where are Zmmy's defenderz now...... DainBramaged Jun 2013 #39
speaking of literacy thesquanderer Jun 2013 #46
They're stuck with it. Igel Jun 2013 #78
What in the hell was the prosecutor doing? Did he not talk to these people before? still_one Jun 2013 #47
So it was a dictated letter. Big deal. n/t Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #50
I don't see this as a big deal to the case. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #51
Redirect can give her opportunity to explain that she composed the letter, a friend magical thyme Jun 2013 #59
This witness is a joke and a liar BigD_95 Jun 2013 #62
She's young and uneducated and perhaps not all that bright but kiranon Jun 2013 #65
And doesn't she also have a drug problem? marshall Jun 2013 #72
does your belief have any basis in fact? noiretextatique Jun 2013 #77
She does have tweets about drugs, being high, and drunk driving. Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #84
The part about the funeral was what caught my eye marshall Jun 2013 #93
jebus...this place is crawling with zimmermans noiretextatique Jun 2013 #75
Unfortunately a high school senior that is illiterate Riftaxe Jun 2013 #66
Perhaps they should subpoena whoever let her pass the 11th grade. Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #86
Bingo. How she was pushed through high school really speaks to lowered educational standards. n/t NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #99
That's the sad part. Beacool Jun 2013 #110
She is no doubt functionally illiterate marshall Jun 2013 #117
I can't believe this is a big deal. Fringe Jun 2013 #68
Schools are highly motivated to diagnose learning disabilities. Igel Jun 2013 #83
So how much does it cost to teach someone to read, already? Flatulo Jun 2013 #95
Pervert Don West has bullied, scorned, mocked this young woman from the first. Judi Lynn Jun 2013 #73
I agree with you, and trust me, Mr.Bill Jun 2013 #89
He's a defense lawyer,that's what they do---like it or not. The judge could have reined him in. virgogal Jun 2013 #91
That's any defense lawyer's job. 840high Jun 2013 #97
The job of a defense attorney is, in part, to discredit prosecution witness. Codeine Jun 2013 #107
Your complete and utter disdain for COLGATE4 Jun 2013 #108
This may be news to you, but that's what defense attorneys do. Beacool Jun 2013 #111
I think we are having a zombie attack Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #79
+1 Ash_F Jun 2013 #104
And this is supposedly the "star witness". Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #103
How repulsive of the defense. yardwork Jun 2013 #113
I've had a lot of college students over the years who couldn't read their own handwriting. yurbud Jun 2013 #116
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