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pampango

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41. "...if we can't get NAFTA and GATT scrapped..." You are half-way there. GATT died in 1994.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 07:29 AM
Jul 2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Agreement_on_Tariffs_and_Trade

"...social benefits, workers' rights protections and easier access to education and healthcare in other countries were a "subsidy" to the corporations based in those countries ..."

Where did this come from? We have had 'free trade' with Canada since before NAFTA. So much of Canada's economy is devoted to trade with the US that all of its "social benefits, workers' rights protections and easier access to education and healthcare" should no longer exist, having been eliminated as subsidies to Canadian corporations. I still hear complaints that it is hard for American companies to compete with Canadian ones because of the government "subsidies" ("social benefits and easier access to education and healthcare&quot the latter receive, but which do not count as illegal subsidies under NAFTA rules.

And international trading rules specifically allow European and other countries to exclude the VAT (used to largely fund their "social benefits, workers' rights protections and easier access to education and healthcare&quot from being ruled as a subsidy to their companies. This has stirred up some anger here since those rules make it more difficult for American exports to compete with European-made goods.

"It is not a business subsidy for a people to have a more humane social regimen or for workers to have more ability to defend themselves from exploitation by corporate power."

I agree wholeheartedly.
Warren would not have the same skill set BootinUp Jul 2013 #1
Better? In what way? He only signed NAFTA while she's been negotiating TPP, the NAFTA on steroids? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #2
Isn't TTP Obama's secret trade deal? AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #4
HRC reportedly drafted and negotiated TPP provisions on behalf of Obama. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #5
Yes, as Secretary of State AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #7
Not exactly. 1) Slavery ended with the Civil War. 2) Negotiating TPP was not in her job description. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #9
Right AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #22
She fulfilled Obama's policy BainsBane Jul 2013 #8
I've noticed that too. joshcryer Jul 2013 #11
I think HRC deserves full credit for what she's done. nt delrem Jul 2013 #14
Errr, do you realize that the president sets policy? Beacool Jul 2013 #17
HRC, plus Republicans and others in his Administration set policy, as well as Goldman Sachs, et al. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #20
If she does not like the president's policy she could have resigned. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #37
Yep it is enevatable... zeemike Jul 2013 #3
She'll likely make an even better president than Obama, but we'll see. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #6
I just want a partisan candidate. joshcryer Jul 2013 #10
Better tha E Warren? Pharaoh Jul 2013 #12
Hillary who? Thought she retired as I've heard damn little from her on the current topics of late. Purveyor Jul 2013 #13
Well she did finally come out in support of gay marriage back in March... PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #15
Hillary the most popular politician in the nation, that's who. Beacool Jul 2013 #16
I doubt that but if you can produce polling to indicate otherwise, I will stand 'corrected'...eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #25
Here's the long term polling for Hillary: joshcryer Jul 2013 #27
I don't care if you don't believe me. Beacool Jul 2013 #32
From Harry Reid, that's ... um.... some kind of praise. delrem Jul 2013 #18
I wouldn't doubt it, but Bill was an excellent President Federosky Jul 2013 #19
Another episode of the blind leading the naked. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #21
That's my thinking Plucketeer Jul 2013 #36
So says a corporate shill and sellout... primavera Jul 2013 #23
As much as I like Hillary... mpcamb Jul 2013 #24
You said: "I feel Obama's black skin is at the bottom of a huge amount of the Republicans..." Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #42
Howard Dean perhaps and E. Warren for VP ? How about that? YOHABLO Jul 2013 #26
E. Warren for president. She's the best bet the Dems have ever had. delrem Jul 2013 #28
She COULDN'T be more anti-poor than Bill was signing the "Death to Jobless Moms" welfare bill. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #29
Since the 1880's Democrats have been "pro-trade". republicans were the "high tariff" party until pampango Jul 2013 #34
being for "free trade" doesn't mean what it meant in 1880. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #38
Trade does not force down wages. If it did, progressive countries would trade less than the US. pampango Jul 2013 #39
In and of itself, trade doesn't force down wages. NAFTA and deals like it have, though. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #40
"...if we can't get NAFTA and GATT scrapped..." You are half-way there. GATT died in 1994. pampango Jul 2013 #41
U.S. corporations have repeatedly used the "no subsidy" language to go after social benefits Ken Burch Jul 2013 #43
HRC would be more of the same, probably worse, delrem Jul 2013 #30
Well, hopefully she wouldn't lie under oath about having sex with an intern. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #31
Nope, women are more savvy than that. Beacool Jul 2013 #33
Hillary Clinton is the boogeywoman that the Republicans bring out to help fundraise. (nt) w4rma Jul 2013 #35
Hahahaha!!!!!!!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #44
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