No, not okay! (Reply #120) - Democratic Underground

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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:50 AM

calimary (54,879 posts)

120. No, not okay!

Second-class citizens we are NOT. Although they do seem to want very much to keep us there.

Perhaps the Pope figured that if he threw a bone to one segment of the "outsiders" then all the rest would be grateful and stop complaining and take what they could get. Maybe some in (and supporters of) the gay community will be content with this. Maybe not.

I wish they'd remember how critically important women are. Even God Himself couldn't do that remarkable Thing He did, the way He intended (sending His only Son to live among and be "one of us," that is), WITHOUT A WOMAN. God the Almighty could simply have created a fully-formed adult Jesus-type manifestation to pop into the Temple one fine afternoon, or arrive on one of those flaming chariots with an escort of heraldic angels and Heavenly hosts and all that.

Feels as though Holy Mother (HAH! Now THAT is curious, too, isn't it?) Church really hasn't come very far along those lines at all, regardless how open-minded and forward-thinking the new Pope is regarded as being.

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159 replies	Author	Time	Post
Pope: Who am I to judge gay people? [View all]	dipsydoodle	Jul 2013	OP
Who is this guy and what did he do with the Bishop of Rome? n/t	Scootaloo	Jul 2013	#1
check under the settee.	xchrom	Jul 2013	#2
+1	Blue_Tires	Jul 2013	#53
Really? You think that is a positive statement?	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#55
Compared to the blanket condemnation of his predecessors?	Scootaloo	Jul 2013	#82
So that makes it a cause for celebration?	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#112
In reality it is the difference between	Fearless	Aug 2013	#134
I think that the pope's statement is actually a pretty big deal.	yardwork	Aug 2013	#158
It's a huge step in the right direction.	ZombieHorde	Jul 2013	#91
please explain	reorg	Jul 2013	#110
If it is still demeaning, how is it a big shift?	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#113
The previous Popes have been bigger jerks about the subject.	ZombieHorde	Jul 2013	#119
not true	reorg	Jul 2013	#123
"why the obsession to defend the pope"	ZombieHorde	Jul 2013	#124
Yeah, sure....	theHandpuppet	Jul 2013	#125
I don't think it is a change	Yo_Mama	Aug 2013	#144
Baby steps, friend	Thor_MN	Jul 2013	#132
You also don't call a puppy shitting on the floor Holy Father, Vicar of Christ. Nor do folks run	Bluenorthwest	Aug 2013	#136
Why would anyone call a puppy anything other than it's name?	Thor_MN	Aug 2013	#143
Say what???	theHandpuppet	Aug 2013	#145
If you had bothered to read this subthread	Thor_MN	Aug 2013	#147
Oh, I've read the entire thread multiple times	theHandpuppet	Aug 2013	#148
You are free to your opinion and to be just as miserable as you desire	Thor_MN	Aug 2013	#153
Not the first time we've all heard that kind of response	theHandpuppet	Aug 2013	#154
Who am I to stand in the way of your absolute misery?	Thor_MN	Aug 2013	#155
Yes indeed	theHandpuppet	Aug 2013	#157
I'm the person you replied to.	Thor_MN	Aug 2013	#159
Did you catch the last paragraph of the article?	melm00se	Jul 2013	#3
Jackie Mason?	Orrex	Jul 2013	#4
I would take Jackie Mason over the other kind.	yurbud	Jul 2013	#63
Yup, one of the Founding Fathers! Muahaha!	freshwest	Jul 2013	#75
Someone call Robert Langdon.	Arkana	Jul 2013	#11
Having a Pope elide the gay lobby with financial elites	cprise	Jul 2013	#28
For a moment I thought it read "Mormon lobbies"	caseymoz	Jul 2013	#35
So horrific.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#37
"In this lobby, will there be TP? TP for my bunghole?" (NT)	Heywood J	Jul 2013	#97
So end the Catholic Lobby. Stay the fuck out of government, RCC.	Arugula Latte	Aug 2013	#141
my grand father was a mason.	madrchsod	Aug 2013	#152
Here is the key phrase	Elmergantry	Jul 2013	#5
Isn't it, though (ref to Masons).	Delphinus	Jul 2013	#6
No it's not he's speaking from his own experience. Masonic	Katashi_itto	Jul 2013	#14
Propaganda Due	visca	Jul 2013	#46
Thanks! I didnt know about that	Katashi_itto	Jul 2013	#49
It used to be . . .	caseymoz	Jul 2013	#40
re: "homosexual acts are sinful, homosexual orientation is not."	thesquanderer	Jul 2013	#67
So gays can never have sex, according to the FUCKED UP theology of the Catholics and most other	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#74
Sure they can have sex.	thesquanderer	Jul 2013	#76
Sure they can have sex...	JackRiddler	Jul 2013	#96
Yes and No.	Elmergantry	Jul 2013	#79
This is what passes for a charm offensive, RC Church-style, 2013.	Smarmie Doofus	Jul 2013	#7
You got it.	theHandpuppet	Jul 2013	#9
Some won't be happy until the Pope shows up in a speedo at the Gay Pride parade.	Comrade Grumpy	Jul 2013	#69
well said n/t	Psephos	Jul 2013	#99
No it isn't	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#115
This message was self-deleted by its author	Nihil	Jul 2013	#106
Deleted my previous response ...	Nihil	Jul 2013	#107
Ain't it the truth...I don't even want to post sometimes because of all the hostility that seems	CTyankee	Jul 2013	#133
Please explain how this statement is a "step" in any direction at all	reorg	Jul 2013	#109
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2013	#116
dbackjon, you are my kind of guy!	Skittles	Jul 2013	#127
WTF	Skittles	Jul 2013	#126
So, Francis, how do you feel about women becoming priests?	CTyankee	Jul 2013	#8
Don't hold your breath waiting for responses	theHandpuppet	Jul 2013	#13
same old same old...as the saying goes...	CTyankee	Jul 2013	#17
Did you read the article? Maybe the margin will get thinner, but no priests...	DreamGypsy	Jul 2013	#45
Actually, I heard that on NPR this a.m. when I was driving to the library...I nearly swerved off	CTyankee	Jul 2013	#61
No, not okay!	calimary	Jul 2013	#120
But they already have jobs	theHandpuppet	Jul 2013	#128
Well, it's not exactly tolerance, but from the Catholic Church I'll take what I can get.	Arkana	Jul 2013	#10
Meaning 'I'm not gay so I don't care'	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#22
Not what I said, but you carry on beating that strawman.	Arkana	Jul 2013	#30
The OP is a Straw Pontiff, Francis said nothing that is new. 'hate the sin, love the sinner'.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#36
But women. He can judge the heck out of them.	Jakes Progress	Jul 2013	#12
Baby steps.........	Beacool	Jul 2013	#16
Celebrate when there is change, not when there is no change. It is insulting to GLBT people.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#21
There is a saying...	theHandpuppet	Jul 2013	#24
The difference is that this Pope can trick his followers into cheering for no difference.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#31
If you review the responses to the 80 previous Pope threads...	theHandpuppet	Jul 2013	#32
It is intentional anti gay activism.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#33
Yup!	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#56
Right on, Francis!!!!	Beacool	Jul 2013	#15
I agree, reform is going to take time for the Catholic Church	davidpdx	Jul 2013	#19
I attend a Lutheran church, but was raised Catholic.	Beacool	Jul 2013	#43
Why should there be "doctrine"? Jesus never said, "Believe this or be damned."	Peace Patriot	Jul 2013	#64
It goes back to Matthew 16:19	Elmergantry	Jul 2013	#80
What he said is no different from what all his peers say 'as long as they are celebate, it is ok'	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#20
Pope didnt say anyhting new per the athiests	Elmergantry	Jul 2013	#25
Thank you. The mendacity around here is disgusting.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#29
The difference is that this is the first Pope who I have heard say	Beacool	Jul 2013	#42
He did not say that. Here is a discussion that is favorable to him, but also accurate about what	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#50
WHY ARE YOU CHEERING A FUCKING BIGOT>?	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#57
He's talking about the priests.	Beacool	Jul 2013	#77
No, he is NOT just talking about the priests.	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#78
This is not new nor kind it is what Dolanbigot says as well 'they are allowed freindship only'	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#18
Don't judge gays. Judge WOMEN instead. n/t	cprise	Jul 2013	#23
Judge women and gays who have sex. He says we have to be celebate.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#27
Exactly. "Love the sinner" is not bad; it's the claim that	NYC Liberal	Jul 2013	#68
pushing this here as if it was not retread hate speech is offensive.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#26
Correct. Hate the sin not the sinner is the position of many fundamentalist	totodeinhere	Jul 2013	#62
I call this "stumbling off the starting line"	nevergiveup	Jul 2013	#34
I call Alabama the Crimson Tide.	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#39
No, he just judges them for wanting to have lives like straight people do.	forestpath	Jul 2013	#38
Other Popes have said about the same thing.	caseymoz	Jul 2013	#41
I appreciate his words, I do- BUT, I, and my 'acts', are not sinful, temptations, thorns in the	cecilfirefox	Jul 2013	#44
The rules for the private members club called the church	dickthegrouch	Jul 2013	#47
He will reverse himself just like he did with atheists	Kelvin Mace	Jul 2013	#48
Not perfect, but certainly a lot better than hanging gay people or stoning them to death.	Nye Bevan	Jul 2013	#51
'bout fucking time	DainBramaged	Jul 2013	#52
What is there to cheer?	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#58
(sigh) Would you rather he have said" kill all Gays let God sort them out"?	DainBramaged	Jul 2013	#59
I'd rather he just say "We still hate the gays"	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#60
Well then write the HolyFather and tell him how you feel	DainBramaged	Aug 2013	#139
And those are the choices as you see them? Full hate or hate couched in a cloud of rhetoric?	Bluenorthwest	Aug 2013	#138
What changed, this was the official position of the Catholic Church all along...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2013	#70
He can still go fuck himself	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#54
Charming. As always.	Comrade Grumpy	Jul 2013	#71
So I should be nice to a person that doesn't view me as fully human?	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#73
This is nothing new and has been in the Catechism for a long time	NYC Liberal	Jul 2013	#65
We shall see, but he sounds like a pretty good guy.	JDPriestly	Jul 2013	#66
Uhm, nothing has changed, he still thinks same sex marriage is from "The Father of Lies"...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2013	#72
Just his way to duck the scandal that made ratzinger retire.	Jakes Progress	Jul 2013	#81
It's great that Duers are all mad about Catholics and stuff.	Ash_F	Jul 2013	#83
*Your results will vary if you are Gay	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#84
Particularly gays.	Ash_F	Jul 2013	#86
Really, you are going to scold him?	Marrah_G	Jul 2013	#89
Catholics aren't going anywhere, sorry. /nt	Ash_F	Jul 2013	#101
Your post was nasty, insulting and offensive	Marrah_G	Jul 2013	#111
Not meant as a slight?	theHandpuppet	Jul 2013	#95
By all means continue being angry.	Ash_F	Jul 2013	#100
I don't want to eliminate the Catholic Church	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#114
Judging by the responses to your posts elsewhere in this thread...	Ash_F	Jul 2013	#129
That is a strange claim considering that in Argentina Francis used marriage equality as his	Bluenorthwest	Aug 2013	#137
Oh why bring up the truth at a time like this?	theHandpuppet	Aug 2013	#146
What attempt? This reiterates the Catechism that has been in place for 30+ years...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2013	#93
That could be one takeaway	Ash_F	Jul 2013	#102
The past 3 popes always said don't hate the gays, but to them...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2013	#121
Maybe, but this is the most overt statement in my recollection. /nt	Ash_F	Jul 2013	#130
Too bad this sicko church has caused untold suffering for millions over centuries.	Arugula Latte	Aug 2013	#142
Let's not cheer for someone being a little less of a bigot	Marrah_G	Jul 2013	#85
I don't think it is so much cheering as it is relief	Ash_F	Jul 2013	#87
Actually he was- except if they live a celibate life	Marrah_G	Jul 2013	#88
Bingo!	trotsky	Jul 2013	#122
Yes he did - unless we stay in the closet, and don't have sex	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#117
I don't see it as him being "slightly less bigoted" he just isn't as...	Humanist_Activist	Jul 2013	#92
At a time when GLBT citizens and women are fighting for their very lives and rights...	theHandpuppet	Jul 2013	#94
One sentence, now he's good to go for about five years till his next gay "kinda maybe".	Safetykitten	Jul 2013	#90
Is the Pope Catholic?	grantcart	Jul 2013	#98
Really DU? He condemned the evil "gay lobby."	joshcryer	Jul 2013	#103
then attack the anti gay policy	DonCoquixote	Jul 2013	#104
Cardinal Dolan was just on the Today Show	theHandpuppet	Jul 2013	#105
No progressive should ever cheer the Pope	dbackjon	Jul 2013	#118
Who are you to judge anyone, indeed?	DeSwiss	Jul 2013	#108
That's what I've always been told	burnodo	Aug 2013	#156
Bullshit.	xfundy	Jul 2013	#131
Wait, this is nothing that previous	Sissyk	Aug 2013	#135
True. The Bishop of Rome and his criminal Cardinals	PM Martin	Aug 2013	#140
Then he just ought to tell the catholic school who fired the teacher	Amonester	Aug 2013	#149
Is Francis The 'Boss' or Not???	Amonester	Aug 2013	#150
unfortunately he doesn't have the time make lasting changes	madrchsod	Aug 2013	#151

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