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34. Right and if your in a panic... You are in a panic and sometimes nothing make sense.

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 04:42 PM

Sep 2013

Don’t we all freaking know where the break pedal on our car is? Yea right just ask the hundreds who have been killed due to an accelerator break...

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Marissa Alexander, Woman Sentenced To 20 Years For Firing Warning Shot, Gets New Trial [View all] RosieS57 Sep 2013 OP

Perhaps this time she will take the plea deal she refused the first time. hack89 Sep 2013 #1

She retreated to the garage to flee from her abusive husband, fearing for her life... TinkerTot55 Sep 2013 #4

Indeed! RosieS57 Sep 2013 #5

Every garage door has a manual release hack89 Sep 2013 #6

If one did not know that (many don't) & the situation was dynamic, one would feel trapped. Period.nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #10

Then she should have stayed where it was safe. hack89 Sep 2013 #12

Do you? How was she safe in the garage? Husband could get in there and she Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #14

She had a gun. He didn't hack89 Sep 2013 #17

She had a gun because you say she left the garage to get it. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #18

She went to the garage to get her gun. She had a CCW and it was in her car. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #23

The garage in which she had parked her car the previous night. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #76

I'm not strong enough to open the manual release. Tried it one day when the electricity was off. SharonAnn Sep 2013 #24

Exactly. Thanks. Hope you got it attended to. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #29

I don’t know where mine is... busterbrown Sep 2013 #15

So the inside of your garage door is perfectly smooth? hack89 Sep 2013 #19

Right and if your in a panic... You are in a panic and sometimes nothing make sense. busterbrown Sep 2013 #34

It was not self defense. hack89 Sep 2013 #37

One other ? busterbrown Sep 2013 #38

Not if you left and then voluntarily came back. hack89 Sep 2013 #59

Why? Gothmog Sep 2013 #151

Because she retreated to a safe area hack89 Sep 2013 #152

I disagree with your analysis Gothmog Sep 2013 #156

First off I have a hard time believing she could not open the garage hack89 Sep 2013 #159

There is no evidence that her husband jamzrockz Oct 2013 #173

why heaven05 Sep 2013 #53

Florida's minimum sentencing laws are an abomination hack89 Sep 2013 #56

and she got NO JUSTICE heaven05 Sep 2013 #60

What is your evidence that the husband at the time put his hands on her? jamzrockz Oct 2013 #174

Eyewitness testimony. She said so herself. Under oath. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #180

I posted the audio clip for the 911 call jamzrockz Oct 2013 #182

Interesting. Thanks. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #183

At around 2:50, he says "She pulled out a gun rocktivity Mar 2014 #189

oh please! heaven05 Oct 2013 #186

excellent question noiretextatique Sep 2013 #139

Would you believe that I once forgot there were manual door locks on my car? notadmblnd Sep 2013 #27

Last week I locked my unlock fob in the car. Had my key, but forgot I could unlock it manually, Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #45

And if it's not in working order, or the spring is busted, she might not be able to lift it. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #46

Her only choice then was to grab a gun and go back into the house? hack89 Sep 2013 #57

Her children were also inside the house, or had been, she may have feared for their safety as well. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #62

She fired in the direction of her kids hack89 Sep 2013 #64

I think they were his kids from a previous marriage. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #78

She fired into the cieling above him. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #109

And you think that was a smart thing to do? hack89 Sep 2013 #113

I understand why warning shots are unlawful. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #117

In many states warning shots are considered aggravated assault hack89 Sep 2013 #118

Again, I understand the statute. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #119

If so, she is a very poor shot because she hit the wall instead. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #176

It was high on the wall... AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #178

That makes a difference. She aimed towards the ceiling but hit "high" on a wall. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #179

In either case, she stated to the police it was a warning shot. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #181

I still say that she should have called it an "accidental" discharge... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #185

No, she fired into the wall at head level. ManiacJoe Oct 2013 #188

oh please heaven05 Sep 2013 #52

No everybody knows that. tblue Sep 2013 #100

Isn't the bar whether she had a reasonable fear her life was in danger or she was in danger of dkf Sep 2013 #128

Let look at the Florida statutes hack89 Sep 2013 #146

The ex admitted to prior abuse. dkf Sep 2013 #150

It makes sense - you are right. hack89 Sep 2013 #153

If the result is the same then I would say it is racism. dkf Sep 2013 #154

lol, it's funny how none of these technicalities applied to trayvon okieinpain Sep 2013 #158

Zimmerman was guilty of manslaughter hack89 Sep 2013 #160

what she said was "i have something for your ass" ran to the garage and came back leftyohiolib Sep 2013 #20

Was that proven beyond a reasonable doubt or is that the testimony of the abusive husband? dkf Sep 2013 #129

it's what the ag said was said. the ag was doing n interview on a fla radio station .i heard the leftyohiolib Sep 2013 #135

You want to bet that's a quote from the abusive husband? dkf Sep 2013 #136

Generally.... RosieS57 Sep 2013 #8

Except she created the confrontation hack89 Sep 2013 #9

She re-entered the house looking for an exit. She got the gun for self-defense. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #11

She could have left through the garage hack89 Sep 2013 #13

If one did not know that (many don't) & the situation was dynamic, one would feel trapped. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #16

In the eyes of the law, once you have retreated from danger hack89 Sep 2013 #21

It was not safe. That's why she left it. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #31

There is no evidence her ex pursued her into the garage. hack89 Sep 2013 #35

What is the precise amount of time it takes to calm down from a perceived and imminent danger LanternWaste Sep 2013 #103

Then she should not have had a CCW and a gun hack89 Sep 2013 #105

She was cornered in that garage. Warpy Sep 2013 #94

She shot in the direction of her ex and the kids. hack89 Sep 2013 #102

It was a warning shot Warpy Sep 2013 #145

Warning shots are illegal and a crime in most states. hack89 Sep 2013 #147

I wouldn't.. RosieS57 Sep 2013 #25

Then she should stayed there and waited. She was safe. hack89 Sep 2013 #28

No... What She Should Have Done, Was Shot Him Dead And Claimed "Stand Your Ground"... Right ??? WillyT Sep 2013 #32

Except there were witnesses. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #36

And apparently you were one of them. vanlassie Sep 2013 #43

No. She testified she went into the garage hack89 Sep 2013 #54

Oh, so you weren't there? Have you vanlassie Sep 2013 #65

What about the jury? hack89 Sep 2013 #67

Write the appeals court. vanlassie Sep 2013 #69

I suspect the result will be the same. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #72

Ridiculous shawn703 Sep 2013 #39

The law doesn't see it that way unfortunately. hack89 Sep 2013 #58

what an absurd assertion noiretextatique Sep 2013 #140

Forget it; he's rolling Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #143

i remember all if them noiretextatique Sep 2013 #171

Does that explain why she shot in the direction of the kids? Because she was panicked? hack89 Oct 2013 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Oct 2013 #177

Did George Zimmerman create an avoidable confrontation? Just curious. cheapdate Sep 2013 #44

Yes. Just like him that CCW led to a poor choice. nt hack89 Sep 2013 #55

I agree. Thank you for you answer. cheapdate Sep 2013 #164

Yes, and that is not the standard as we've seen. dkf Sep 2013 #134

From what I've seen self defense works for assault. dkf Sep 2013 #133

She didn't aim at the ceiling. Igel Sep 2013 #66

Except... RosieS57 Sep 2013 #68

He wasn't there that night. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #75

She did point the gun at him. The bullet hit the wall and ricocheted into the ceiling. See post 74. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #77

oh please heaven05 Sep 2013 #51

and she wasn't suppsed to be there in the first place. Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #61

It's funny to see this from you, given how much water you carried for Zimmerman... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #110

And I find it funny that all those that condemned Florida's concealed carry laws hack89 Sep 2013 #115

And I've always said countless people have been convicted Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #120

I argued the law in both cases. hack89 Sep 2013 #121

The law may be mostly "straightforward", but it is open to interpretation.. Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #123

Give it a break - you are trying too hard. hack89 Sep 2013 #124

Wrong again...I just like black folks to get equal, consistent justice Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #125

It is crystal clear what kind of person you are. hack89 Sep 2013 #131

Hate on me all you wish if it helps your catharsis... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #137

Hate? Too powerful an emotion to waste on an anonymous internet opponent hack89 Sep 2013 #142

So what are you judging me on, then?? Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #148

That was a snarky comment on your willingness to judge me hack89 Sep 2013 #149

Her mistake was to The Wizard Sep 2013 #2

Yup. LIFWB or LIFWAF cui bono Sep 2013 #7

But evidently we're *never* supposed to point that out... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #130

Glad to see it. Let's work for more 'equality under the law.' What's been going there is an affront. freshwest Sep 2013 #3

So glad she will get another hearing. Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #22

Wow! RosieS57 Sep 2013 #26

Forgot to mention, welcome to D.U., Rosie. Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #97

TYVM RosieS57 Sep 2013 #106

I'm with you- well said! Tumbulu Sep 2013 #79

The comments do say more about the writers than they realize. That's deep hostility Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #96

Tes, so very revealing and so very sad Tumbulu Sep 2013 #168

This is good news Gothmog Sep 2013 #30

This is the kind of discussion thread FreedRadical Sep 2013 #33

You are right, of course RosieS57 Sep 2013 #42

Your OP is fine FreedRadical Sep 2013 #47

The idiots who defend the jerk of a man Tumbulu Sep 2013 #80

They defend him BainsBane Sep 2013 #87

Or perhaps "they" think that aggravated assault should be discouraged. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #90

Why not the assault of the woman? BainsBane Sep 2013 #91

On the contrary. I'm largely alone in this thread in NOT excusing and defending domestic assault. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #108

He should have been in jail already, why has he not been in jail for 20 years for assault Tumbulu Sep 2013 #169

Tremendous post, FreedRadical. Thanks for saying it so well. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #98

thank you...this is some sick american bullshit noiretextatique Sep 2013 #141

K&R NealK Sep 2013 #40

My personal opinion is that Ms. Alexander RC Sep 2013 #41

I don't know anything about this incident, but cheapdate Sep 2013 #48

I agree! Nt Tumbulu Sep 2013 #81

About time. Very pleased to hear it. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2013 #49

good! now on to don siegelman heaven05 Sep 2013 #50

Thank god JonLP24 Sep 2013 #63

Just how fucked up is a 20-year sentence for discharging a gun when no one gets hurt? Imagine, indepat Sep 2013 #70

It is some..... RosieS57 Sep 2013 #71

Never will I again go to FL indepat Sep 2013 #73

Really...are the kids supposed to stay with her abusive husband? Ash_F Sep 2013 #111

Just as fucked up as the former George Zimmerman defense brigade Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #132

a) it wasn't a warning shot, it was at the heads of her husband and his children. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #74

He had a history of abusing her Tumbulu Sep 2013 #82

That makes him a hero in the eyes of some BainsBane Sep 2013 #86

He's not on trial. She is. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2013 #89

The facts of the case are in dispute BainsBane Sep 2013 #92

A look at his face in "images" tells anyone he is brutal. It's right there, in plain sight. Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #99

I am saying that if he had been in jail for abuse in the first place Tumbulu Sep 2013 #166

Her husband that had beaten the crap out of her on numerous occassions BainsBane Sep 2013 #85

a) This has not been sufficiently proven Ash_F Sep 2013 #112

Her problem was calling it a "warning shot" Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #138

You are quoting the National Review as a source? And you are a Democrat? kwassa Sep 2013 #165

Best news of the day, thanks for posting Rose! Tumbulu Sep 2013 #83

Thanks, Tumbalu RosieS57 Sep 2013 #95

Thanks for mentioning the fact she had given birth only a little over a week earlier. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2013 #126

I am so relieved to learn this! BainsBane Sep 2013 #84

I'm glad she's getting another chance to beat these bullshit charges. blackspade Sep 2013 #88

Once again we see the determination to protect abusers BainsBane Sep 2013 #93

Someone JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #101

She also pled no contest to domestic battery of him. tammywammy Sep 2013 #104

DUers? /nt Ash_F Sep 2013 #114

She was fortunate to live in a state where she would carry a gun in public and protect herself hack89 Sep 2013 #122

oh, so you want to defend her now?? Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #127

really sick shit noiretextatique Sep 2013 #144

Astounding, isn't it? BainsBane Sep 2013 #155

yep noiretextatique Sep 2013 #170

Firing a "warning shot" in a wall is several magnitudes dumber than firing a warning shot at all. Kurska Sep 2013 #107

Should she have shot him instead? dkf Sep 2013 #157

If she legitimately thought her life was in danger, then yes Kurska Sep 2013 #161

Personally I would prefer a warning shot if someone was moving on me. dkf Sep 2013 #162

It seems shooting the gun is justified if and only if killing the target is justified. JVS Oct 2013 #184

I hope she gets released. If she killed the abuser, she probably would have got the same 20 years. Sunlei Sep 2013 #116

Lost track of the stats on Women serving life time sentences .. 2banon Sep 2013 #163

sickening and clearly not improved Tumbulu Sep 2013 #167

Kick :) n/t Tx4obama Oct 2013 #172

I want to invite our resident Gun Enthusiasts who are so unhappy about this new trial.... Paladin Oct 2013 #187