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Uncle Joe

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54. Bypassing the Constitution is not the same as amending it, furthermore when every President
Sat Sep 28, 2013, 09:52 PM
Sep 2013

takes the oath of office they don't swear to defend the American People, they swear to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution."

From you post #8



I want to be protected, and I understand that there may be a need to bypass the constitution to make sure I remain safe. It's that simple, I hate it but I recognize it's necessity.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office_of_the_President_of_the_United_States

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:— “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”



The reason they swear to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" is simple, a nation's citizens are far safer when they're governed under the rule of law, not the rule of men or women for that matter.

History is littered with countless crackpot dictators and tyrants abusing and murdering their own people in the name of protecting them against some imaginary enemy.

It's far too easy to demonize and persecute opposing political points of view when a nation isn't governed by the rule of law.
Stop the paranoia and shut the whole corrupt agency down. RC Sep 2013 #1
I'm sure they have a private company or three that oversee's their work. nt adirondacker Sep 2013 #3
+1. I don't need to pay people to spy on me. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #29
There has to be a balance as well as an open conversation. inch4progress Sep 2013 #2
There was a balance Hydra Sep 2013 #6
I completely understand your anger, and feel it myself inch4progress Sep 2013 #8
May I remind you... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #9
Which is where the balance comes in. I have no liberty if I'm the victim of a terror attack, inch4progress Sep 2013 #10
The NSA is committing crimes. I don't care what the Supreme Court excuses with tricky JDPriestly Sep 2013 #13
Well said. Indi Guy Sep 2013 #28
YEP drynberg Sep 2013 #36
As Hydra points out in post #11... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #14
No offense, but the gov't is unwilling to protect you Hydra Sep 2013 #11
Then why would Obama mention such inflamatory things on television like..... inch4progress Sep 2013 #12
Leaders can "mention" anything, all day - every day... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #15
Yes, and if they have an agenda they would "mention" things to convince us inch4progress Sep 2013 #16
You don't have to assume anything. You can look at his actions. n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #19
His actions? He tried to appoint Warren and some other EXTREME LIBERALS! inch4progress Sep 2013 #20
You say, "I have to assume that Obama's agenda HAS MY INTERESTS AT HEART!"... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #22
Well you didn't address any of his LIBERAL APPOINTEES, EFFORTS TO RAISE TAXES ON UBER WEALTHY, inch4progress Sep 2013 #23
With respect... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #24
I didn't notice hypocrisy. People expect every aspect of our national security to be inch4progress Sep 2013 #27
OK - One more response to you... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #40
The hypocrisy that I see isn't the same that you see. inch4progress Sep 2013 #41
In other words... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #42
Essential liberty? I don't know what liberty I'm giving up? inch4progress Sep 2013 #43
Can we agree that our spooks should obey the law? Indi Guy Sep 2013 #44
I definitely agree.The laws need to be followed, by EVERYONE. inch4progress Sep 2013 #45
Well now I'm confused. Indi Guy Sep 2013 #46
It can be amended, and the constitution allows inch4progress Sep 2013 #47
Bypassing the Constitution is not the same as amending it, furthermore when every President Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #54
We have the patriot act which has withstood the constitutional courts inch4progress Sep 2013 #55
I was responding to your assertion that they just bypass the Constitution. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #56
What. The congress is bought our soldiers would never inch4progress Sep 2013 #57
The only people that lost faith in the Constitution were the slaveholders. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #58
If they keep their "core beliefs" they might as well write their epitaph now. inch4progress Sep 2013 #60
Abolitionism was an "ideal" which had its' roots in the 16th century and was gaining strength Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #61
Jefferson was a very intelligent Humanist, Glad you mentioned him:) inch4progress Sep 2013 #63
I agree with much of what you posted, however I see the U.S. and for that matter the world entering Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #64
Most of Obama's appointees are Republicans and corporate lobbyists. n/t cprise Sep 2013 #32
BAh, He attempted to appoint leftists.............Republicans would only allow corporate stooges. inch4progress Sep 2013 #34
Those are good questions Yo_Mama Oct 2013 #65
The NSA is the threat we are facing. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #30
You aren't concerned about radicalized armed Libertarians? Al quaeda? inch4progress Sep 2013 #50
Oh no, I'd feel so vulnerable if the NSA stopped! JackRiddler Sep 2013 #48
I don't really believe that terrorism is a racket, uh, at least not a government fear scheme inch4progress Sep 2013 #49
Thank you. Indi Guy Sep 2013 #52
'The NSA only found out about the misconduct after the employee confessed' jsr Sep 2013 #4
I'm sure the stalker had permission from FISA court. Vanje Sep 2013 #7
Yeah, real super sleuths, these guys, LOL grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #31
that's the crux of it Supersedeas Sep 2013 #62
The NSA is a blight to citizen's security. Vanje Sep 2013 #5
Your tax dollars at work. blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #17
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #18
Gotta wonder... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #25
That's a good question. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #53
they only report abuses by EMPLOYEES of NSA here grasswire Sep 2013 #21
Good catch. Indi Guy Sep 2013 #37
Our heroes! Ash_F Sep 2013 #26
Well, I do believe this sentence needs to be repeated for the lie it is: tavalon Sep 2013 #33
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and THE CONSTITUTION IS THE LAW!... Indi Guy Sep 2013 #59
I remember reports of 'email hackings' of our top Gov. officials. Are some of these 1000s of NSA... Sunlei Sep 2013 #35
..this is probably a tiny fraction of what's going on..... Sancho Sep 2013 #38
There goes the "If you're not doing anything wrong" argument. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #39
Is it any surprise that scum who manipulate politics, manipulate their own relationships? Ash_F Sep 2013 #51
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