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Prophet 451

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24. That's the Fermi Paradox
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 08:03 PM
Nov 2013

The Fermi Paradox is an answer to teh Drake Equation. Drake says that, assuming certain variables, the universe is probably teeming with life. Fermi counters by saying "so where are they then?". There's several possible answers to that.

The first is that their existence may not overlap with ours. Modern humans have only existed for about 100,000 years and we've only had powered flight for a little over a century. The universe is about 14 billion years old. It's entirely possible that intelligent life has blossomed and died out before we even stopped hitting each other with rocks. Conversely, it's also possible that the intelligent life is still living in caves.

The other major issue is time. The closest habitable planet is 12 light years away. That means it takes light 12 years to reach us. And light is the fastest thing there is, nothing travels faster than light (barring a few strange developments in quantum physics). There's really no way for the human mind to understand the distances involved but it is entirely possible that our attempts at communication and theirs simply haven't had time to reach one another yet.

Finally, there's the Galactus problem. Marvel Comics solution to teh Fermi Paradox was to posit that something destroys the civilization before it establishes communication. In the comics, that was Galactus but it could be a global pandemic, asteroid strike, war (either among themselves or with another alien species) or something we've never even thjought of.

good, because we've got to get out of this place maxsolomon Nov 2013 #1
Well, if the nearest possible inhabitable planet is only 12 light years away.. olddad56 Nov 2013 #5
I sure as hell don't wish that on the inhabitants of other worlds. Crunchy Frog Nov 2013 #12
Our sun will eventually go supernova maxsolomon Nov 2013 #39
Never gonna happen. Besides, if we wreck this place, we don't deserve a second chance. arcane1 Nov 2013 #28
If ? olddad56 Nov 2013 #34
Indeed! arcane1 Nov 2013 #48
"...we don't deserve a second chance." ??? Peace Patriot Nov 2013 #50
I'm an atheist, I don't need you to tell me the old testament is fiction. arcane1 Nov 2013 #54
You say you're an atheist yet you doom humanity... Peace Patriot Nov 2013 #60
What an absurd statement. I'm not dooming anyone, nor am I capable of doing so. arcane1 Nov 2013 #61
Sorry, each dominant species only gets one planet to destroy. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #58
wonder how much longer Earth will be habitable. olddad56 Nov 2013 #2
At the rate corporations are despoiling the environment for financial gain, aided and abetted by indepat Nov 2013 #13
About another billion years or so... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #19
"Only 12 light years away" jberryhill Nov 2013 #3
So where is everybody? bananas Nov 2013 #4
No, I think many of the tea partiers might be from another planet. olddad56 Nov 2013 #8
Just because they're in the habitable zone doesn't mean they're habitable. OnlinePoker Nov 2013 #11
Yep. "Habitable" has a different meaning for scientists than for "normal people". Xithras Nov 2013 #57
Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Worried That Humans Are Too Stupid For Aliens progressoid Nov 2013 #14
I tend to think that is the problem .. It would be nice if they could help us out.. we need it. YOHABLO Nov 2013 #21
The opposite is also possible Scootaloo Nov 2013 #29
Indeed, our combination of intelligence, curiosity, and tool innovation are probably quite rare. arcane1 Nov 2013 #30
They moved out when we moved in... penultimate Nov 2013 #16
Depends on what you mean by everybody.... paleotn Nov 2013 #23
That's the Fermi Paradox Prophet 451 Nov 2013 #24
My closure of the Fermi Paradox is quite simple. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #32
It's a good solution Prophet 451 Nov 2013 #33
This is a great and fascinating post, but the Mediocrity Principle sounds like bullshit to me. arcane1 Nov 2013 #36
"it was a giant leap from "intelligent" life to industrial civilization" GliderGuider Nov 2013 #37
You made the leap, right there in your reply. arcane1 Nov 2013 #38
Intelligence is necessary but not sufficient. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #40
Where did this free energy come from? arcane1 Nov 2013 #41
Well, it comes from the sun. GliderGuider Nov 2013 #43
I have a feeling we agree more than we disagree. arcane1 Nov 2013 #45
Yes, I suspect so too! GliderGuider Nov 2013 #46
A toast, to whatever processes resulted in our good fortune to be here discussing said processes! arcane1 Nov 2013 #47
It wouldn't take much of a change for hydropower to have been the dominant power source muriel_volestrangler Nov 2013 #51
There is no intelligent life on those planets, just like Earth. hunter Nov 2013 #62
I hope so Politicalboi Nov 2013 #31
Fermi's paradox. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #56
They may already have life but not as we know it dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #6
we still have life, but not as we knew it before 2000. olddad56 Nov 2013 #9
I'd go back as far as 1980 and the "election" of Ronald Reagan. YOHABLO Nov 2013 #22
And no one calls.. denbot Nov 2013 #7
Would you call dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #10
Our system has 3 plants in the; greiner3 Nov 2013 #15
It's kind of a blurry definition. longship Nov 2013 #20
If any within a few dozen light years have modern life on them seveneyes Nov 2013 #17
If their technology level was much higher than ours they may use a different method ... spin Nov 2013 #25
One more data point in the Drake equation. longship Nov 2013 #18
Yes, Indeed ... Stuart G Nov 2013 #26
Do you suppose any have a population hell bent on self destruction. liberal N proud Nov 2013 #27
Hope there is intellegent life on one of them..... Rebellious Republican Nov 2013 #35
interesting gopiscrap Nov 2013 #42
20% percent of SUN-LIKE stars. Ash_F Nov 2013 #44
My favorite TV show said it all Rosco T. Nov 2013 #49
So maybe we CAN Cruise to the Galactic Federation on a DC 8. Kablooie Nov 2013 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #53
god is one busy motherfucker! snooper2 Nov 2013 #55
But ... but ... Earth is the center of the universe and mankind is the sole focus of The Deity! Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #59
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