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hack89

(39,171 posts)
47. Are you afraid of driving people away from help
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 12:13 PM
Nov 2013

because they think you will take away their guns? That is a huge issue the Army is grappling with over PTSD and it is a hard one to solve.

I's still have an oldest brother were it not for his easy access to guns. PSPS Nov 2013 #1
And I would have a nephew. daleo Nov 2013 #8
And I would still have a good friend - and her nephew. calimary Nov 2013 #110
And I would have my brother in law. erinlough Nov 2013 #167
Gun ownership billh58 Nov 2013 #2
I agree with you gopiscrap Nov 2013 #4
The price we pay for keeping yahoos steeped in gunz happy. Hoyt Nov 2013 #3
If that were the only price then it would be worth it. Nihil Nov 2013 #176
Those numbers don't make sense. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #5
I would ask why so many are killing themselves Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #7
Wrong analysis aside. MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #9
Most gun suicides kill only themselves. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #12
Well MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #23
You're overlooking the difference in scale between the ownership number and petronius Nov 2013 #25
OK. I see what you are saying about the percentages. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #30
I agree with you on that point. These findings are not IMO arguments petronius Nov 2013 #31
You're using gun sales, the research uses household ownership rate. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #114
Your argument is complete garbage intaglio Nov 2013 #41
I will post as I please. N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #45
'It is the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped LanternWaste Nov 2013 #108
What a rude post. A third grade post not an adult one IMO. nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #111
I have no time for gun apologists intaglio Nov 2013 #125
You had enough time to make a douchy post to someone you consider a "gun apologist." Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #135
Taking a turn of phrase, intaglio Nov 2013 #139
I'm impressed with your strength! Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #144
Care to tell me what goalposts have been moved? intaglio Nov 2013 #145
Sure: Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #146
And as I pointed out, that is what that phrase means intaglio Nov 2013 #162
Correlation is not cause askeptic Nov 2013 #44
When you properly control for confounding factors, then you it is possible DanTex Nov 2013 #67
+1 n/t Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #115
I find it surprising (and sad, and a bit scary) how impulsive suicide can be, petronius Nov 2013 #6
When Australia changed its gun laws, suicides decreased. CBHagman Nov 2013 #10
It is still my right to accept that risk for myself. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #13
Wow .... I guess you've never lost a family member to suicide by gun. Tumbulu Nov 2013 #19
What will be "gone," suicide or guns? Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #28
guns nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #137
interesting selection. Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #165
I have Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #42
I am sorry for your losses Tumbulu Nov 2013 #138
I think better mental health care Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #140
You are so right about help with mental illness Tumbulu Nov 2013 #155
What will be gone? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #48
Guns nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #136
Really? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #143
guns unlicensed without serious liability coverage in the hands of irresponsible Tumbulu Nov 2013 #156
Now you've moved the goalposts onto a whole other field. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #159
Oh brother, you are serious here? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #171
Uh huh. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #160
Hope not, we will see. Tumbulu Nov 2013 #172
Hell, will humans still populate the world? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #174
Guns will be gone in a decade? cleanhippie Nov 2013 #151
Well, you can say that you read it here Tumbulu Nov 2013 #157
First, you make predictions that have no basis in reality, then refer to yourself in the 3rd person. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #158
I'm trying to make a joke= lighten up! nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #169
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #166
too bad you feel that way gopiscrap Nov 2013 #168
time will tell nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #170
Jeeez, so your right to arm up trumps everyone elses' rights. Where have I heard that before? Hoyt Nov 2013 #35
You have heard it in the U.S. Constitution. N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #119
And what well-regulated militia do you belong to? HERVEPA Nov 2013 #152
not required per Duckhunter935 Nov 2013 #154
SCOTUS has already put that horse out to pasture. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #161
"Nanny State"? Keep the right wing phrases out of here please CreekDog Nov 2013 #49
I have never denied climate change. In fact I acknowledge it. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #60
What RW positions? Really? DanTex Nov 2013 #64
I strongly support single payer, and have posted so. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #74
Pretending the NRA is not a right-wing organization tells us everything we need to know. DanTex Nov 2013 #87
Please post a link to such a study that controls for criminality. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #124
For starters... DanTex Nov 2013 #126
First I will read those. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #127
I linked to that study. It controlled for criminal history (i.e. arrest record). DanTex Nov 2013 #128
It did NOT control for if the gun was being carried legally or not. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #129
But it did control for criminal record, which is the correct thing to control for. DanTex Nov 2013 #130
No, the best way to investigate it is to ask about the legality of the gun being carried. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #132
No, the best way is to control for criminality is to control for criminality. DanTex Nov 2013 #141
I will get back to you later on your first link. N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #133
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #179
The problem with gun research in this country is the NRA. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #116
The article is false. Studies were never blocked. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #117
The CDC can not lobby. n/t Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #120
No, your post is false. Funding for studies was blocked. DanTex Nov 2013 #142
Stop lights and compulsory education never helped anyone LanternWaste Nov 2013 #109
I choose freedom from worrying about what other people are going to do with guns treestar Nov 2013 #153
DOH! They appear to be related to shootings, too. Who knew? freshwest Nov 2013 #11
It does seem kind of obvious. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #18
I'm with you Tumbulu Nov 2013 #21
Yup. Seems like we have to re-invent the wheel every decade. I'm sure people will say it ain't true. freshwest Nov 2013 #27
About 10 Days Ago I Posted DallasNE Nov 2013 #14
Yet the FBI crime stats say otherwise hack89 Nov 2013 #15
Statistics manipulated. Deaths increasing again since freak peak year just like global warming. ErikJ Nov 2013 #17
That peak was 20 years ago. Nt hack89 Nov 2013 #36
I think it's not inconsistent, for two reasons: petronius Nov 2013 #22
The solution is single payer health care with mental health coverage hack89 Nov 2013 #39
no that's not the entire solution CreekDog Nov 2013 #50
So what law do you propose that will reduce suicides? hack89 Nov 2013 #51
I'm not proposing a law CreekDog Nov 2013 #52
So do you think any gun control law will reduce suicides or is it purely a mental health issue hack89 Nov 2013 #53
i think there are lots of things that would reduce suicide CreekDog Nov 2013 #54
So how does one "discourage" gun ownership hack89 Nov 2013 #55
you agree with me that there's no single factor, yet you said in this thread there's only one CreekDog Nov 2013 #56
Do you know the difference between "causes" and "solutions"? hack89 Nov 2013 #58
So you don't actually have to articulate a rational solution? hack89 Nov 2013 #59
I'm not here to play the opponent role from the NRA playbook CreekDog Nov 2013 #61
I have no problem with you marginalizing yourself hack89 Nov 2013 #66
I "can" articulate lots of ideas, policies and potential laws CreekDog Nov 2013 #73
That might work in Castle Bansalot hack89 Nov 2013 #78
I articulate ideas and defend policies on DU all the time CreekDog Nov 2013 #81
ok. nt hack89 Nov 2013 #84
The NRA is a single issue organization. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #62
BS. With leaders like Grover Norquist, John Bolton, etc., NRA is pushing many right wing issues. Hoyt Nov 2013 #77
Please show where the NA has taken a position on anything but guns. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #85
the California recall elections the NRA is pushing CreekDog Nov 2013 #106
What was the stance of the targeted legislators on guns? GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #122
Mental health care and gun control are not mutually exclusive. DanTex Nov 2013 #68
But what gun control laws will specifically target suicides hack89 Nov 2013 #69
And what single payer health-care law will make it through congress? DanTex Nov 2013 #70
I was talking about legal feasibility hack89 Nov 2013 #71
Feasibility is feasibility. The Supreme Court is politicized, we all know that. DanTex Nov 2013 #86
I am talking specifically about gun control to reduce suicides hack89 Nov 2013 #88
You don't think NYC's laws nationwide would reduce handgun ownership? Really? DanTex Nov 2013 #90
And Roe v Wade is gone due to the most right-wing Supreme Court in generations .. oh wait hack89 Nov 2013 #91
LOL. And what part of the country has embraced single-payer? Any part at all? DanTex Nov 2013 #94
I think gun control laws are very useful for reducing gun crime hack89 Nov 2013 #118
I think Vermont has embraced single player. AN/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #123
Wrong. Gun suicides have gone up. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #26
Which is why we need single payer health care hack89 Nov 2013 #37
We need to educate people about how DEADLY it is to own a gun. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #75
Informed choice is always good. nt hack89 Nov 2013 #76
Yes, but the gun industry is preventing that from happening. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #98
Except Obama has directed the CDC to study gun deaths hack89 Nov 2013 #101
Congress has not given the CDC money to study gun deaths, plus the damage is lasting. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #104
Shitty healthcare and a long recession has more to do with it hack89 Nov 2013 #40
No. A gun in the home makes suicide 5 times more likely. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #72
So what specific law will reduce gun suicides hack89 Nov 2013 #79
A background check and waiting period. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #93
I thought we were talking about guns that were already in the home hack89 Nov 2013 #95
All gun owners should be required to register their guns. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #102
Easier to register owners hack89 Nov 2013 #103
Ten states have waiting periods for handgun purchases hack89 Nov 2013 #96
We need a NATIONAL background check with no loopholes. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #99
I agree. hack89 Nov 2013 #100
Strongly agree. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #164
That's not how statistical correlation works. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #163
If you're saying a gun in the house does not increase your risk of suicide, you're dead wrong. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #173
Only If You Cherry-Pick The Starting Point DallasNE Nov 2013 #33
We have to go back 60 years to find lower rates of gun violence. hack89 Nov 2013 #38
Nephew and grade-school buddy ErikJ Nov 2013 #16
Color me shocked sakabatou Nov 2013 #20
Lotsa data out there on why having a gun around your home is actually a lot more dangerous go west young man Nov 2013 #24
The ancients knew that; "live by the gun,die by the gun" ErikJ Nov 2013 #32
Two views on that. Deep13 Nov 2013 #29
I will wait for the next study that shows..... whistler162 Nov 2013 #34
I think fixing the mental health care Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #43
Accounting for guns is a necessary component of mental health care Blackjackdavey Nov 2013 #46
Are you afraid of driving people away from help hack89 Nov 2013 #47
No, I'm more afraid Blackjackdavey Nov 2013 #107
The two are not mutually exclusive. DanTex Nov 2013 #63
Suicides are two thirds of gun deaths in the US Recursion Nov 2013 #57
And yet gun free Japan has almost twice our suicide rate. EX500rider Nov 2013 #147
Of course, the gungeoneers are going to deny this study like all the others. DanTex Nov 2013 #65
Another recent study they deny: "Gun Ownership And Racist Attitudes Are Linked, Study Finds" Hoyt Nov 2013 #80
Why deny it? 19,000 people out of 50,000,000 chose a method The Straight Story Nov 2013 #82
Illustrating my point... DanTex Nov 2013 #89
"Experts" say suicide is a complex issue askeptic Nov 2013 #92
Of course, and gun availability is only part of it. DanTex Nov 2013 #97
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #180
Guns don't cause suicide -- guns cause death Blackjackdavey Nov 2013 #105
Thank you both askeptic Nov 2013 #112
Well, DUH. crim son Nov 2013 #83
I guess people can argue forever whether the increase in suicides is related to the increase in guns olddad56 Nov 2013 #113
+10000. Gunz also make it easy for bullies -- like Zimmerman -- to hurt innocent people. Hoyt Nov 2013 #121
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It's not rocket science SimplyMarie Nov 2013 #134
So I'd guess those countries with the most guns, hughee99 Nov 2013 #148
Yeah, I agree... EX500rider Nov 2013 #149
I agree completely. hughee99 Nov 2013 #150
You're both missing the point Blackjackdavey Nov 2013 #175
I think if you're missing the point if your attempting to address hughee99 Nov 2013 #177
Nope, that is the point. Blackjackdavey Nov 2013 #178
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