I "can" articulate lots of ideas, policies and potential laws (Reply #73)

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Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:06 PM

CreekDog (46,109 posts)

73. I "can" articulate lots of ideas, policies and potential laws

because of your formulaic, disingenuous and dishonest approach to this topic, I absolutely will not simply play into your tried and tested way of debating anything that could be construed to relate to gun ownership.

drop the playbook and someday we could have a conversation.

until then, you can play the Gun Madlib game with yourself.

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Study: More Guns Lead To More Suicides [View all]	Redfairen	Nov 2013	OP
I's still have an oldest brother were it not for his easy access to guns.	PSPS	Nov 2013	#1
And I would have a nephew.	daleo	Nov 2013	#8
And I would still have a good friend - and her nephew.	calimary	Nov 2013	#110
And I would have my brother in law.	erinlough	Nov 2013	#167
Gun ownership	billh58	Nov 2013	#2
I agree with you	gopiscrap	Nov 2013	#4
The price we pay for keeping yahoos steeped in gunz happy.	Hoyt	Nov 2013	#3
If that were the only price then it would be worth it.	Nihil	Nov 2013	#176
Those numbers don't make sense.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#5
I would ask why so many are killing themselves	Mojorabbit	Nov 2013	#7
Wrong analysis aside.	MyNameGoesHere	Nov 2013	#9
Most gun suicides kill only themselves.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#12
Well	MyNameGoesHere	Nov 2013	#23
You're overlooking the difference in scale between the ownership number and	petronius	Nov 2013	#25
OK. I see what you are saying about the percentages.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#30
I agree with you on that point. These findings are not IMO arguments	petronius	Nov 2013	#31
You're using gun sales, the research uses household ownership rate.	Gormy Cuss	Nov 2013	#114
Your argument is complete garbage	intaglio	Nov 2013	#41
I will post as I please. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#45
'It is the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped	LanternWaste	Nov 2013	#108
What a rude post. A third grade post not an adult one IMO. nt	Mojorabbit	Nov 2013	#111
I have no time for gun apologists	intaglio	Nov 2013	#125
You had enough time to make a douchy post to someone you consider a "gun apologist."	Lizzie Poppet	Nov 2013	#135
Taking a turn of phrase,	intaglio	Nov 2013	#139
I'm impressed with your strength!	Lizzie Poppet	Nov 2013	#144
Care to tell me what goalposts have been moved?	intaglio	Nov 2013	#145
Sure:	Lizzie Poppet	Nov 2013	#146
And as I pointed out, that is what that phrase means	intaglio	Nov 2013	#162
Correlation is not cause	askeptic	Nov 2013	#44
When you properly control for confounding factors, then you it is possible	DanTex	Nov 2013	#67
+1 n/t	Gormy Cuss	Nov 2013	#115
I find it surprising (and sad, and a bit scary) how impulsive suicide can be,	petronius	Nov 2013	#6
When Australia changed its gun laws, suicides decreased.	CBHagman	Nov 2013	#10
It is still my right to accept that risk for myself.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#13
Wow .... I guess you've never lost a family member to suicide by gun.	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#19
What will be "gone," suicide or guns?	Eleanors38	Nov 2013	#28
guns nt	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#137
interesting selection.	Eleanors38	Nov 2013	#165
I have	Niceguy1	Nov 2013	#42
I am sorry for your losses	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#138
I think better mental health care	Niceguy1	Nov 2013	#140
You are so right about help with mental illness	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#155
What will be gone?	Ranchemp.	Nov 2013	#48
Guns nt	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#136
Really?	Ranchemp.	Nov 2013	#143
guns unlicensed without serious liability coverage in the hands of irresponsible	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#156
Now you've moved the goalposts onto a whole other field.	cleanhippie	Nov 2013	#159
Oh brother, you are serious here?	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#171
Uh huh.	Ranchemp.	Nov 2013	#160
Hope not, we will see.	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#172
Hell, will humans still populate the world?	Ranchemp.	Nov 2013	#174
Guns will be gone in a decade?	cleanhippie	Nov 2013	#151
Well, you can say that you read it here	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#157
First, you make predictions that have no basis in reality, then refer to yourself in the 3rd person.	cleanhippie	Nov 2013	#158
I'm trying to make a joke= lighten up! nt	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#169
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2013	#166
too bad you feel that way	gopiscrap	Nov 2013	#168
time will tell nt	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#170
Jeeez, so your right to arm up trumps everyone elses' rights. Where have I heard that before?	Hoyt	Nov 2013	#35
You have heard it in the U.S. Constitution. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#119
And what well-regulated militia do you belong to?	HERVEPA	Nov 2013	#152
not required per	Duckhunter935	Nov 2013	#154
SCOTUS has already put that horse out to pasture.	Ranchemp.	Nov 2013	#161
"Nanny State"? Keep the right wing phrases out of here please	CreekDog	Nov 2013	#49
I have never denied climate change. In fact I acknowledge it.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#60
What RW positions? Really?	DanTex	Nov 2013	#64
I strongly support single payer, and have posted so.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#74
Pretending the NRA is not a right-wing organization tells us everything we need to know.	DanTex	Nov 2013	#87
Please post a link to such a study that controls for criminality.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#124
For starters...	DanTex	Nov 2013	#126
First I will read those.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#127
I linked to that study. It controlled for criminal history (i.e. arrest record).	DanTex	Nov 2013	#128
It did NOT control for if the gun was being carried legally or not.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#129
But it did control for criminal record, which is the correct thing to control for.	DanTex	Nov 2013	#130
No, the best way to investigate it is to ask about the legality of the gun being carried.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#132
No, the best way is to control for criminality is to control for criminality.	DanTex	Nov 2013	#141
I will get back to you later on your first link. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#133
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jan 2014	#179
The problem with gun research in this country is the NRA.	Gormy Cuss	Nov 2013	#116
The article is false. Studies were never blocked.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#117
The CDC can not lobby. n/t	Gormy Cuss	Nov 2013	#120
No, your post is false. Funding for studies was blocked.	DanTex	Nov 2013	#142
Stop lights and compulsory education never helped anyone	LanternWaste	Nov 2013	#109
I choose freedom from worrying about what other people are going to do with guns	treestar	Nov 2013	#153
DOH! They appear to be related to shootings, too. Who knew?	freshwest	Nov 2013	#11
It does seem kind of obvious.	BlueStreak	Nov 2013	#18
I'm with you	Tumbulu	Nov 2013	#21
Yup. Seems like we have to re-invent the wheel every decade. I'm sure people will say it ain't true.	freshwest	Nov 2013	#27
About 10 Days Ago I Posted	DallasNE	Nov 2013	#14
Yet the FBI crime stats say otherwise	hack89	Nov 2013	#15
Statistics manipulated. Deaths increasing again since freak peak year just like global warming.	ErikJ	Nov 2013	#17
That peak was 20 years ago. Nt	hack89	Nov 2013	#36
I think it's not inconsistent, for two reasons:	petronius	Nov 2013	#22
The solution is single payer health care with mental health coverage	hack89	Nov 2013	#39
no that's not the entire solution	CreekDog	Nov 2013	#50
So what law do you propose that will reduce suicides?	hack89	Nov 2013	#51
I'm not proposing a law	CreekDog	Nov 2013	#52
So do you think any gun control law will reduce suicides or is it purely a mental health issue	hack89	Nov 2013	#53
i think there are lots of things that would reduce suicide	CreekDog	Nov 2013	#54
So how does one "discourage" gun ownership	hack89	Nov 2013	#55
you agree with me that there's no single factor, yet you said in this thread there's only one	CreekDog	Nov 2013	#56
Do you know the difference between "causes" and "solutions"?	hack89	Nov 2013	#58
So you don't actually have to articulate a rational solution?	hack89	Nov 2013	#59
I'm not here to play the opponent role from the NRA playbook	CreekDog	Nov 2013	#61
I have no problem with you marginalizing yourself	hack89	Nov 2013	#66
I "can" articulate lots of ideas, policies and potential laws	CreekDog	Nov 2013	#73
That might work in Castle Bansalot	hack89	Nov 2013	#78
I articulate ideas and defend policies on DU all the time	CreekDog	Nov 2013	#81
ok. nt	hack89	Nov 2013	#84
The NRA is a single issue organization.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#62
BS. With leaders like Grover Norquist, John Bolton, etc., NRA is pushing many right wing issues.	Hoyt	Nov 2013	#77
Please show where the NA has taken a position on anything but guns.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#85
the California recall elections the NRA is pushing	CreekDog	Nov 2013	#106
What was the stance of the targeted legislators on guns?	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#122
Mental health care and gun control are not mutually exclusive.	DanTex	Nov 2013	#68
But what gun control laws will specifically target suicides	hack89	Nov 2013	#69
And what single payer health-care law will make it through congress?	DanTex	Nov 2013	#70
I was talking about legal feasibility	hack89	Nov 2013	#71
Feasibility is feasibility. The Supreme Court is politicized, we all know that.	DanTex	Nov 2013	#86
I am talking specifically about gun control to reduce suicides	hack89	Nov 2013	#88
You don't think NYC's laws nationwide would reduce handgun ownership? Really?	DanTex	Nov 2013	#90
And Roe v Wade is gone due to the most right-wing Supreme Court in generations .. oh wait	hack89	Nov 2013	#91
LOL. And what part of the country has embraced single-payer? Any part at all?	DanTex	Nov 2013	#94
I think gun control laws are very useful for reducing gun crime	hack89	Nov 2013	#118
I think Vermont has embraced single player. AN/T	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2013	#123
Wrong. Gun suicides have gone up.	SunSeeker	Nov 2013	#26
Which is why we need single payer health care	hack89	Nov 2013	#37
We need to educate people about how DEADLY it is to own a gun. nt	SunSeeker	Nov 2013	#75
Informed choice is always good. nt	hack89	Nov 2013	#76
Yes, but the gun industry is preventing that from happening.	SunSeeker	Nov 2013	#98
Except Obama has directed the CDC to study gun deaths	hack89	Nov 2013	#101
Congress has not given the CDC money to study gun deaths, plus the damage is lasting.	SunSeeker	Nov 2013	#104
Shitty healthcare and a long recession has more to do with it	hack89	Nov 2013	#40
No. A gun in the home makes suicide 5 times more likely.	SunSeeker	Nov 2013	#72
So what specific law will reduce gun suicides	hack89	Nov 2013	#79
A background check and waiting period. nt	SunSeeker	Nov 2013	#93
I thought we were talking about guns that were already in the home	hack89	Nov 2013	#95
All gun owners should be required to register their guns.	SunSeeker	Nov 2013	#102
Easier to register owners	hack89	Nov 2013	#103
Ten states have waiting periods for handgun purchases	hack89	Nov 2013	#96
We need a NATIONAL background check with no loopholes. nt	SunSeeker	Nov 2013	#99
I agree.	hack89	Nov 2013	#100
Strongly agree.	Lizzie Poppet	Nov 2013	#164
That's not how statistical correlation works.	Lizzie Poppet	Nov 2013	#163
If you're saying a gun in the house does not increase your risk of suicide, you're dead wrong.	SunSeeker	Nov 2013	#173
Only If You Cherry-Pick The Starting Point	DallasNE	Nov 2013	#33
We have to go back 60 years to find lower rates of gun violence.	hack89	Nov 2013	#38
Nephew and grade-school buddy	ErikJ	Nov 2013	#16
Color me shocked	sakabatou	Nov 2013	#20
Lotsa data out there on why having a gun around your home is actually a lot more dangerous	go west young man	Nov 2013	#24
The ancients knew that; "live by the gun,die by the gun"	ErikJ	Nov 2013	#32
Two views on that.	Deep13	Nov 2013	#29
I will wait for the next study that shows.....	whistler162	Nov 2013	#34
I think fixing the mental health care	Niceguy1	Nov 2013	#43
Accounting for guns is a necessary component of mental health care	Blackjackdavey	Nov 2013	#46
Are you afraid of driving people away from help	hack89	Nov 2013	#47
No, I'm more afraid	Blackjackdavey	Nov 2013	#107
The two are not mutually exclusive.	DanTex	Nov 2013	#63
Suicides are two thirds of gun deaths in the US	Recursion	Nov 2013	#57
And yet gun free Japan has almost twice our suicide rate.	EX500rider	Nov 2013	#147
Of course, the gungeoneers are going to deny this study like all the others.	DanTex	Nov 2013	#65
Another recent study they deny: "Gun Ownership And Racist Attitudes Are Linked, Study Finds"	Hoyt	Nov 2013	#80
Why deny it? 19,000 people out of 50,000,000 chose a method	The Straight Story	Nov 2013	#82
Illustrating my point...	DanTex	Nov 2013	#89
"Experts" say suicide is a complex issue	askeptic	Nov 2013	#92
Of course, and gun availability is only part of it.	DanTex	Nov 2013	#97
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jan 2014	#180
Guns don't cause suicide -- guns cause death	Blackjackdavey	Nov 2013	#105
Thank you both	askeptic	Nov 2013	#112
Well, DUH.	crim son	Nov 2013	#83
I guess people can argue forever whether the increase in suicides is related to the increase in guns	olddad56	Nov 2013	#113
+10000. Gunz also make it easy for bullies -- like Zimmerman -- to hurt innocent people.	Hoyt	Nov 2013	#121
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Nov 2013	#131
It's not rocket science	SimplyMarie	Nov 2013	#134
So I'd guess those countries with the most guns,	hughee99	Nov 2013	#148
Yeah, I agree...	EX500rider	Nov 2013	#149
I agree completely.	hughee99	Nov 2013	#150
You're both missing the point	Blackjackdavey	Nov 2013	#175
I think if you're missing the point if your attempting to address	hughee99	Nov 2013	#177
Nope, that is the point.	Blackjackdavey	Nov 2013	#178

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