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TeeYiYi

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17. It's a Korean War memorial...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 12:11 PM
Dec 2013

that was erected in 1954 in honor of the soldiers whose lives were lost in that war.

The fights over the monument didn't start until 35 years later, in 1989.

I'm no fan of christian symbolism and I'm a firm believer in the separation of church and state but I think this monument should be allowed to stand.

TYY

I know .. the wingnuts and teabaggers cosmicone Dec 2013 #1
Good. I think we should start a fundraiser to sponsor installation of giant FSM statue idwiyo Dec 2013 #2
Appropriate response Pantagruelsmember Dec 2013 #14
Bravo!! CrispyQ Dec 2013 #19
I think the Hindus have a great response! murielm99 Dec 2013 #143
The religionists will ultimately win this one. Loudly Dec 2013 #3
Our Constitution now applies to a religious symbol in another nation? What is going on here? jwirr Dec 2013 #4
?! What other Nation? Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #18
Sorry I was thinking about the statue in South America. I am 72 years old - and wrong some of the jwirr Dec 2013 #51
Good. I am so tired of Christains pushing thier religion on the rest of us. bowens43 Dec 2013 #5
Dynamite it in place and use the scrap to make Darwin Fish trunk medallions. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #6
Just follow the fucking rules, christians! Iggo Dec 2013 #7
Same for the Detroit City Council FrodosPet Dec 2013 #139
What's the big fucking deal? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #8
This has been a decades long fight as well Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #10
It's a Korean War memorial... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #17
And two Vietnam veterans are the ones who started that legal fight Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #27
I am no fan of crosses period MyNameGoesHere Dec 2013 #31
Actually, no. It became a Korean War Memorial back in 1989/1990. It was an Easter Cross in 1954. haele Dec 2013 #71
From the link in the OP... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #97
It's a Christian cross on public property. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #102
It could be worse... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #130
Is that Base Jump Jesus? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #137
CNN - the OP's wrong. The Korean War Memorial was added to the base of the cross. haele Dec 2013 #108
I read the article, and so fucking what? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #46
Are you working at the soup kitchen too? Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #48
WTF does that have to do with your faux outrage? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #50
I don't think I'm the one expressing faux outrage here Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #56
Ya you are, and so am I because it is such an asnine issue. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #58
An issue so asinine that only the asinine would "fight any effort to remove it...."? LanternWaste Dec 2013 #80
Yeah, pretty much!!!!! Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #83
Thanks for demonstrating EXACTLY why this cross should come down. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #103
We'll see if it comes down, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #104
Again, thanks for demonstrating exactly why it needs to come down. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #105
Actually, in this case, I think you're the target of the "too bad", regardless of your petulance LanternWaste Dec 2013 #125
It's a giant, fucking cross on government land. Ian David Dec 2013 #63
Who fucking cares what shape it's in, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #69
Only two hand wringers I see on this thread Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #70
Right. If that's what floats your boat, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #73
If believing that it's a Korean War memorial floats your boat Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #74
Don't hold your breath that it's coming down, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #76
When it DOES come down, I want a turn swinging the sledge hammer, just to piss YOU off. Ian David Dec 2013 #95
And when it stays up, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #98
I'll just move on to another battle, fighting other religious bigots. n/t Ian David Dec 2013 #136
clearly, YOU care frylock Dec 2013 #78
Because it's a giant religious symbol on public land and implies an official imprimatur. n/t Ian David Dec 2013 #93
Yeah, right. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #96
I want this put up to honor all the muslims that have died in service to our country. neverforget Dec 2013 #141
Believe it or not some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time. Bandit Dec 2013 #32
It was dedicated to the Korean War Veterans, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #45
It's an urgent issue to those fighting an implicit government endorsement of a religion. maxsolomon Dec 2013 #53
Yeah, and I'll bet the vast majority of americans don't give a shit Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #54
some do, and it's their right to pursue legal action. maxsolomon Dec 2013 #55
Show me where the govt is promoting a religion with this cross Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #57
You certainly come off like you're laughing your ass off Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #62
It's an emotional issue to me because it's dedicated to the memory Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #66
I'm sure the Jewish veterans appreciate it Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #67
Then put a star of david up next to it. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #68
With all those McMansions nearby.... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #75
oh yeah, that's going to happen.. frylock Dec 2013 #119
Its also dedicated to the atheists and non christian american soliders LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #84
No, it doesn't and don't hold your breath Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #85
Because SCotUS has a record of keeping this sort of thing? LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #90
We'll see. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #94
Kind of a meaningless statement on anonymous forum LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #101
at one time, vast majority of americans didn't give a shit if negroes could vote frylock Dec 2013 #79
You're equating the right of AA's to vote to Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #86
no, i'm equating your glib attitude toward the feelings of the jewish vets.. frylock Dec 2013 #112
so we should decide this based on an election? CreekDog Dec 2013 #120
Not all of your father's buddies were chrisTians. And not all of the taxpayers paying for that land. Ian David Dec 2013 #65
I can only imagine that many other people too, pretend to themselves they are clever enough to know LanternWaste Dec 2013 #82
IMO, this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down on the to do list. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #87
Fighting for its continued maintenance obviously is though. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #126
Look, Ranchemp. I've got the same position on this as I did on the Palinesque opportunism when the freshwest Dec 2013 #131
I understand Joanie Baloney Dec 2013 #113
Is it also dedicated to the Jews who lost their lives in the Korean War? stopbush Dec 2013 #124
Actually, word from long-term La Jollans is that it was originally put up to mark a covenant area. haele Dec 2013 #64
Well that puts a different spin on it. Like a Klan cross, should be destroyed. Hoyt Dec 2013 #106
You're comparing a cross that was erected honoring Korean War Veterans Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #107
Apparently it was not, you are wrong. I thought you were sworn to defend the Constitution. Hoyt Dec 2013 #110
Again, it was erected as an "Easter Cross", not a War Memorial. That was put in around 1990. haele Dec 2013 #114
How would one tell the difference? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #138
what are you doing to address those issues? frylock Dec 2013 #77
It makes me wonder if crosses in government cemeteries have to go next mainer Dec 2013 #116
No, headstones at government cemetaries are slabs, not crosses. haele Dec 2013 #132
Nope, because all other faiths have their symbols too - Pagans have the Pentagram, Asatru have Hestia Dec 2013 #133
Separartion of church and state is a real issue. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #142
demolish a korean war veteran's memorial just in time for Christmas! arely staircase Dec 2013 #9
And they had just stopped flogging the War On Christmas too! Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #11
fuck the RW and all chickenshit appeasers of the RW.. frylock Dec 2013 #81
I'll be willing to bet a lot of LW'ers fought and died Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #89
You are correct Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #99
You're right Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #100
At least be honest and accurate-- in memorium for dead vets if for no other reason. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #127
listen, i fucking live here, and this cross is not a memorial to your dad.. frylock Dec 2013 #109
That's what I wanted to say! Joanie Baloney Dec 2013 #115
and a Happy Festivus to you and Pilot! frylock Dec 2013 #117
What if it were a Buddha? raindaddy Dec 2013 #12
"The cross has been there for decades, why not just leave it?" Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #13
It's not a sequential fight. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #30
Since you cited San Francisco... Xithras Dec 2013 #35
San Diego tried that Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #37
No, they didn't. Xithras Dec 2013 #44
I shouldn't have been so assertive in my statement Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #47
Considering the cost of extended legal battles seems like a wise choice. raindaddy Dec 2013 #40
Why couldn't they just add a little to the design so it's not a cross anymore? Kablooie Dec 2013 #15
I say cut off the the right and left part of the cross and name it "Our Festivus Pole" BlueJazz Dec 2013 #16
I'm so tired of all the Festivus believers trying to push Festivus on the Rest of Us. olddad56 Dec 2013 #21
Save your airing of grievances about Festivus for Festivus, pal. Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #28
okay, we will be wrestling on Festivus. olddad56 Dec 2013 #111
It would need to be coated in metal to work though BumRushDaShow Dec 2013 #22
Won't Jesus be a little N_E_1 for Tennis Dec 2013 #20
Should have something like we've got in the UK dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #23
Wow, that giant is really, really happy to see you and/or pummel you with a stick AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #25
Is that penis circumcised??? raindaddy Dec 2013 #41
It is so cool how y'all rechalk it every 7 years (correct?)! Now *that's* history Hestia Dec 2013 #134
Not quite. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #135
I love this quote by Bill Hicks deutsey Dec 2013 #24
Seems like a technical violation of the second commandment, doesn't it? AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #26
If Jesus had arrived in 1950's America....would Christians be walking around with tiny... PassingFair Dec 2013 #129
Lenny! deutsey Dec 2013 #140
Cue Fox "News" outrage in three ... two ... one ... Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #29
There will be a war within the FOX "News" audience as well. Some vets for, some vets against. kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #43
...good. SoapBox Dec 2013 #33
Great Result! Those decades of effort will now feed, clothe, and shelter thousands! onehandle Dec 2013 #34
It will also make douchebags angry Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #36
^ ^ ^ Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #38
Fattening the RW's coffers and supporting Faux's War On Christianity meme. onehandle Dec 2013 #39
Are you typing these messages on your phone Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #42
So it was these whiner's day jobs to enhance their smugness? onehandle Dec 2013 #60
Did you put the soup ladle down to type that? Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #61
Only a handful of rightwing idiots will believe that LostOne4Ever Dec 2013 #92
what else can we do to appease right-wing faux anger? frylock Dec 2013 #118
I have been Munificence Dec 2013 #49
Reality: Saves Christians from idolatry Democrats_win Dec 2013 #52
We had a similar controversy with the old tall cross on Skinner's butte near the center of Eugene... Nika Dec 2013 #59
A glorious victory in the War on Christmas! Viva! 1000words Dec 2013 #72
Simultaneously, a subtle victory in preventing one additional step in allowing religious law to run LanternWaste Dec 2013 #88
This issue is going to lead to the religious law to run the country? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #91
""jumping the shark" ring a bell to you?" Yes-- your posts now that you mention it. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #128
Why not just allow the land to be sold to the veteran's organization? Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #121
If the Feds decide to sell the land they have COLGATE4 Dec 2013 #122
Wow, yes, that would be a superb view (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #123
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