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In reply to the discussion: Snowden stole 'keys to the kingdom': NSA official [View all]JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)59. It's not a kingdom, it's a criminal enterprise.
The NSA is not "we" -- it is "they."
The NSA is "our adversaries."
The NSA is more enemy and more threat to the people in America than the countries you imagine are our "our" adversaries.
Snowden, of course, did not "provide" these "keys to the kingdom" of the unlimited surveillance state to "adversaries." He opened up the secrets of an unaccountable authority to everyone in the world. That is a big difference.
It is not "espionage" but exposure of criminal activity by an illegitimate, extraconstitutional, by-definition criminal enterprise that has been set up as though it fulfills a legitimate function of government. It does not.
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What makes you think anything accessible to a low level contractor wasn't known by "our adversaries"
LeftyMom
Dec 2013
#19
i think many have wisely decided not to take at face value what the nice NSA spokesmodel has to say
frylock
Dec 2013
#92
You have evidence Snowden gave "the keys to the kingdom" to some Saudi religious fanatics?
LeftyMom
Dec 2013
#17
These are administration spokesmen and people familiar with the situation making these statements
Zorro
Dec 2013
#35
I don't believe anybody's unevidenced assertions, and I'm certainly not about to start for
LeftyMom
Dec 2013
#45
Russian authorities warned us twice about the elder Boston Bomber Brother
MannyGoldstein
Dec 2013
#62
I cant speak for Onyx but KSA and big oilco comes to mind immediately nt
riderinthestorm
Dec 2013
#110
I'd argue that maintaining a strong relationship with the KSA is beneficial for everyone
Zorro
Dec 2013
#113
"...maintaining a strong relationship with the KSA is beneficial for everyone."
OnyxCollie
Dec 2013
#116
We prop up their dictators period. You asked and I gave you an answer.
riderinthestorm
Dec 2013
#120
Is the collection of metadata a greater threat than planes flying into buildings?
Zorro
Dec 2013
#41
We have no constitutionally protected right to third-party business records such as metadata.
randome
Dec 2013
#81
Please study up on the concept of "chilling speech" which is fundamental to our constitutional law
JDPriestly
Dec 2013
#115
If that stuff was so top secret then why were contractors allowed access to that information
AZ Progressive
Dec 2013
#42
I think he read one of my e-mails. I swear I do. Hey, look over there- a shiny thing.
silvershadow
Dec 2013
#56
First they insist no Americans were being spied on, now they admit they ARE spying on Americans
riderinthestorm
Dec 2013
#61
I'm a bit jaded and sceptical when it comes to mixing corporate business and Our Government.
adirondacker
Dec 2013
#85
Hell, private contracting is EVERYWHERE. It endangers corporations as well as government.
randome
Dec 2013
#86
yeah and how many other hundreds of people had similar access to those files & didn't get caught.
Sunlei
Dec 2013
#78
A lot more now since those files are presumably on corporate media servers across the world.
randome
Dec 2013
#79
The lack security at the NSA means that any adversary could have also stolen these same files...
Jesus Malverde
Dec 2013
#119