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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
75. No, Cuba is no more a real democracy than the US is.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:53 AM
Apr 2014

I would definitely not support the US government having absolute control over the media, but the US is already totally under the control of the 1%, so there would be no sense in it.

Comparing the situation in the US to Cuba is incredibly provincial

In Cuba, they are struggling to remain sovereign, and free from the rule of the 1%

“At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands—almost all the cattle ranches—90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions—80 percent of the utilities—practically all the oil industry—and supplied two-thirds of Cuba's imports.” ~ John F. Kennedy


"I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country's policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear." — U.S. President John F. Kennedy, 1963


Here's what Cuba was like the last time the 1% had complete control over it, and this is what Cubans have been protecting themselves from for 55 years:

Back in power, Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[7] Batista's increasingly corrupt and repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba's commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships with the American mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large multinational American corporations that had invested considerable amounts of money in Cuba.[7][8] To quell the growing discontent amongst the populace—which was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrations—Batista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his anti-Communist secret police to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions; ultimately killing anywhere from 1,000 to 20,000 people.[9][10] For several years until 1959, the Batista government received financial, military, and logistical support from the United States.[11]
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In a bid to profit from such an environment, Batista established lasting relationships with organized crime, notably with American mobsters Meyer Lansky and Lucky Luciano, and under his rule Havana became known as "the Latin Las Vegas."[41] Batista and Lansky formed a friendship and business relationship that flourished for a decade. During a stay at the Waldorf-Astoria in New York in the late 1940s, it was mutually agreed that, in return for kickbacks, Batista would give Lansky and the Mafia control of Havana's racetracks and casinos.[42]
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In a manner that antagonized the Cuban people, the U.S. government used its influence to advance the interests of and increase the profits of the private American companies, which "dominated the island's economy."[37] As a symbol of this relationship, ITT Corporation, an American-owned multinational telephone company, presented Batista with a Golden Telephone, as an "expression of gratitude" for the "excessive telephone rate increase" that Batista granted at the urging of the U.S. government.[37]
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The United States supplied Batista with planes, ships, tanks, and the latest technology, such as napalm, which he used against the insurgency. However, in March 1958, the U.S. announced it would stop selling arms to the Cuban government.[64] Soon after, the U.S. imposed an arms embargo, further weakening the government's position,[65] although land owners and others who benefited from the government continued to support Batista.[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista


I can't understand why some people here, on other progressive sites, and the MSM, are so adamant about interfering with, and, I believe if the truth were expressed, overthrowing, the sovereign governments of Venezuela and Cuba, socialist countries that are not under the control of the 1%, but don't advocate for interfering with the far more brutal and restrictive regimes of 1% owned countries such as Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Uganda, etc.


U.S. Agency for International Development is known for its dark side. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #1
What a fucking waste. progressoid Apr 2014 #2
No country should allow unfettered access to social media hack89 Apr 2014 #5
It's a shame the countries like the US allow things like twitter and facebook penultimate Apr 2014 #37
Yes, that's not what I said. progressoid Apr 2014 #39
Yes, how dare people communicate freely using 140 characters or less--it could lead to MADem Apr 2014 #81
I'm stunned AP actually ran this story! They have been covering UP information like this for years. Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #3
Is that McSpedon playing golf in Cuba? flamingdem Apr 2014 #69
Why can't Cubans use the real Twitter? hack89 Apr 2014 #4
Nor should it, that's not the purpose of the story. Daniel537 Apr 2014 #6
But if Cubans had access to social media like every other free society hack89 Apr 2014 #9
No, its not. But again, thats not the point. Daniel537 Apr 2014 #10
How can Twitter violate anyone's privacy? treestar Apr 2014 #85
I dunno. Why can't I head down to the airport and fly to Cuba for cheap medical care? Zorra Apr 2014 #43
So it is US policy that restricts Cuban access to Twitter? hack89 Apr 2014 #44
It is US policy that does not allow me to fly to Cuba for cheap medical care. Zorra Apr 2014 #47
So Cuba has to protect its people from the free exchange of information? hack89 Apr 2014 #49
No, Cuba is no more a real democracy than the US is. Zorra Apr 2014 #75
So only dictatorships can protect people from the 1%? hack89 Apr 2014 #89
I don't know, effective protection from the 1% predators has not been Zorra Apr 2014 #94
Castro's big crime: Fidel has a 25 inch TV. Most Cubans have 19 inch TVs... Mika Apr 2014 #96
Cuba has universal healthcare but no one suggests they are the best. former9thward Apr 2014 #62
A condition of entry is that you have health insurance for the duration of stay. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #98
If USgov was so benevolent, they wouldn't have pulled the plug Ash_F Apr 2014 #54
I agree with you that the program was a bad idea hack89 Apr 2014 #55
I think opening up travel/trade restrictions would go a long way towards building trust. Ash_F Apr 2014 #56
The embargo should have been dropped years ago hack89 Apr 2014 #59
Or until most of our baby boomers are. /nt Ash_F Apr 2014 #70
It was essentially a free texting service. joshcryer Apr 2014 #90
But of course, its crazy to think we may have stirred anything up in Ukraine. Daniel537 Apr 2014 #7
I didnt know we brought twitter to the Ukaraine nt Progressive dog Apr 2014 #12
Right, because Twitter is the only way to undermine a foreign govt. Daniel537 Apr 2014 #13
If only Alexander the Great had Twitter, think of what he could have accomplished! FSogol Apr 2014 #31
If only he had the IMF. Daniel537 Apr 2014 #32
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Apr 2014 #8
Sounds like a waste to me. CFLDem Apr 2014 #11
I really can't find a problem with attempting to open communications in a society. DebJ Apr 2014 #14
Open communications? Daniel537 Apr 2014 #15
People were allowed to communicate with each other. DebJ Apr 2014 #16
I'm sure you don't. Daniel537 Apr 2014 #18
Foreign governments can monitor my communications all they want. DebJ Apr 2014 #19
Good for you. Daniel537 Apr 2014 #20
They were not forced into anything. They enjoyed the service. DebJ Apr 2014 #21
Yes, and the CIA enjoyed collecting all their private info and communication. Daniel537 Apr 2014 #24
As if Cuba isn't doing that to them. joshcryer Apr 2014 #88
Our own Twitter stuff is observed, no doubt. Evil thing. We should immediately stop DebJ Apr 2014 #22
Twitter is run by the Cuban govt.??? Daniel537 Apr 2014 #25
Why would it matter if it was? DebJ Apr 2014 #27
Private messages are public as well? Daniel537 Apr 2014 #29
Actually no, I would not feel any differently. DebJ Apr 2014 #33
Yeah, of course there are private twitter messages. Daniel537 Apr 2014 #34
Thank you for that politely delivered piece of information. DebJ Apr 2014 #35
Do you travel or do business overseas? progressoid Apr 2014 #38
So you don't think the constitution is important? n/t cui bono Apr 2014 #78
Anyone can monitor what we put on Twitter treestar Apr 2014 #86
Uh, I don't think this would have worked... MADem Apr 2014 #83
If the US govt. really wanted to open up Cuba Daniel537 Apr 2014 #17
+1 Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #40
It is unclear whether the scheme was legal under U.S. law...... dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #23
O course you left out the part where it said congressional investigators reviewed the program: okaawhatever Apr 2014 #42
The program was ended in September 2012 dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #46
Interesting, I didn't know about the Paya, Carromero, Modig USAID connect flamingdem Apr 2014 #71
our taxes @ work!!!! lunasun Apr 2014 #26
Very cool! Cubans needed something like that. Pterodactyl Apr 2014 #28
Apparently our govt. disagrees. Daniel537 Apr 2014 #30
Still a good try. Pterodactyl Apr 2014 #73
They ended it because it paid for the texts. joshcryer Apr 2014 #87
More on Creative Associates International starroute Apr 2014 #36
Creative Associates International has been busy. Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #48
Sometimes I think they deliberately choose forgettable names starroute Apr 2014 #50
Good point! Recalls changing SOA (school of assassins, er, the Americas) to WHISC Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #58
Oh, this is fun starroute Apr 2014 #53
OMG. Argh. I was thinking, after seeing your earlier excerpt that the books to Afghanistan Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #60
I've just been checking them out at fedspending.org starroute Apr 2014 #63
Here's another long article that sheds light on things starroute Apr 2014 #64
So this was a USAID project? Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #41
USAID is used as a CIA cover so frequently I'm amazed anybody allows them inside their borders. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #72
Their actions get so blatant, so rancid, sometimes they get thrown out, Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #76
The Exploding Cigar Didn't Work so they tried a New Approach warrant46 Apr 2014 #45
How about we just leave others alone. olddad56 Apr 2014 #51
Been trying to own Cuba for over 100 years. No respect for the people who live there. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #61
It's neocon/lib (ie. post-Nazi) Imperialism. n/t Ghost Dog Apr 2014 #65
Yeah, they keep electing a Castro as their leader. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #93
I'm holding my breath for the next Republican to tell me Obama's a communist. apnu Apr 2014 #52
Cuba is absolutely terrified, TERRIFIED, of social media. joshcryer Apr 2014 #57
Original AP source has comments. First comment reads: Ghost Dog Apr 2014 #66
The USA considers communication subversive. joshcryer Apr 2014 #68
White House defends 'Cuban Twitter' to stir unrest Ghost Dog Apr 2014 #67
Interesting seeing this in your article: Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #77
Why don't the Cubans simply elect a government that permits the real Twitter? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #74
What, and allow all that awful freedom in? Can't have that! nt MADem Apr 2014 #84
'Cuban Twitter' heads to hearings in Congress dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #79
Pathetic, isn't it? They even found a Republican who disapproves of this. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #82
. Ghost Dog Apr 2014 #91
Good for Sra. Vidal. The US has been trying to control Cuba longer than she has lived. Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #97
AP's latest on the subject (" trumpeting in the island's official media"): Ghost Dog Apr 2014 #99
America is cancer to other countries. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #80
Yes, what next? Will we create a Cuban Flappy Bird? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #92
America is just doing their job as Department of Global Enforcement of The Law of the 1%. Zorra Apr 2014 #95
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