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In reply to the discussion: Kerry privately urges Poroshenko to provide evidence of Kremlin involvement with separatists in Ukra [View all]JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)62. So which story is more likely?
Everyone agrees there is deadly fighting involving armed factions as well as military-police regulars in eastern Ukraine, with casualties probably at 1,000 at this point, shelling, tanks, attack helicopters, RPGs, etc.
Like it or not, Moscow is claiming refugees are fleeing across the border.
And Kiev is claiming they're not.
One of them is lying. Which story is more plausible on its face?
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Kerry privately urges Poroshenko to provide evidence of Kremlin involvement with separatists in Ukra [View all]
dipsydoodle
Jun 2014
OP
And Putin's credibility issue is that he flat out lied about Russian military in Crimea.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jun 2014
#30
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jakeXT
Jun 2014
#27
The problem for Putin is that his credibility's been totally shot after Crimea
Tommy_Carcetti
Jun 2014
#29
Actually in the US legal system a person's prior lies can be used to impeach their crediblity...
Tommy_Carcetti
Jun 2014
#86
It is relevant to add that Kerry is meeting with Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister
karynnj
Jun 2014
#11
I hate to say this the Communists of Today's Russia are the most progressive group
happyslug
Jun 2014
#65
I always found it odd that the RF would re-adopt an old Soviet/Stalinist relic as its anthem.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jun 2014
#37
I was surprised by "Die Wacht am Rhein" in Casablanca, but it seems it was a copyright issue
jakeXT
Jun 2014
#79
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Jun 2014
#20
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Jun 2014
#21
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dipsydoodle
Jun 2014
#55
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bemildred
Jun 2014
#35
They sent all those 'fighters' From Ukraine back to Russia. Why did russia accept their dead?.
Sunlei
Jun 2014
#38
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bemildred
Jun 2014
#41
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bemildred
Jun 2014
#42
Just ask our group here at DU what they think about "femen" being run by a man using women.
jakeXT
Jun 2014
#78
so now it's wrong to help separatists a government thinks will support their interests?
yurbud
Jun 2014
#56
Call me when Syria or Libya wants to be aborbed into the United States. nt
Tommy_Carcetti
Jun 2014
#81