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RufusTFirefly

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29. Perhaps she could've dismissed her atrocious vote as "a youthful indiscretion"
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:00 PM
Jun 2014

The "If I only knew then what I know now" excuse is just so trite and disingenuous, especially given the fact that many of her colleagues presumably had the same information and yet still had the courage to vote the other way.

Although she has disturbing saber-rattling tendencies, I suspect her vote was the result of cold political calculation. Unable to recognize what a fiasco the illegal, immoral, inhumane invasion of Iraq would turn out to be, she probably felt that supporting a "cakewalk" would help her chances in 2008 and that opposing it would brand her unpatriotic or "soft on defense."

Oops. Sorry about the dead people.

too little way too late uhnope Jun 2014 #1
Did you say the same thing when John Kerry ran for President? eom DonViejo Jun 2014 #4
HRC would have helped herself and Kerry if she stood by him when he was the only Aye vote to stand blm Jun 2014 #9
I wasn't addressing you but, thanks for jumping in. eom DonViejo Jun 2014 #10
any time....accuracy is my thing....... blm Jun 2014 #11
Happens all the time on message boards. PMs are the way to go if you want a private convo. merrily Jun 2014 #84
Huh? DURHAM D Jun 2014 #17
Huh? The IWR vote is what is being discussed. blm Jun 2014 #26
You are too funny. DURHAM D Jun 2014 #31
She is NOT - what she is saying is that if more Democrats, who had voted "AYE" karynnj Jun 2014 #40
Actually - we BOTH agree Bush would've started the war without IWR. blm Jun 2014 #46
True karynnj Jun 2014 #48
Yep - IWR was always meant to be a political tool for Bush WH more than an actual need. blm Jun 2014 #61
I agree with what you say... malokvale77 Jun 2014 #64
I agree with the first sentence; disagree on the second karynnj Jun 2014 #107
Yes Before 911 billhicks76 Jun 2014 #151
That is exactly what I was saying malokvale77 Jun 2014 #179
Sorry - nt karynnj Jun 2014 #180
No - that's a Republican meme karynnj Jun 2014 #35
Why would she have done that? joshcryer Jun 2014 #39
We are talking about the terrible mistake H. Clinton made and you want us to "look over there rhett o rick Jun 2014 #65
Doesn't Cut It billhicks76 Jun 2014 #147
So you are agreeing with me? nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #148
Kerry + Clinton = billhicks76 Jun 2014 #149
Your memory of the Meyers tasering is extremely wrong karynnj Jun 2014 #169
Ok Ok billhicks76 Jun 2014 #174
The University security clearly over reacted - giving Meyers what he wanted - a spectacle karynnj Jun 2014 #176
Primary vs. General merrily Jun 2014 #83
I sure did. Kerry will never be forgiven for supporting the war. The Stranger Jun 2014 #96
The young senator from Illinois was not in the Senate at the time. The political stakes JDPriestly Jun 2014 #112
He wasn't in the Senate for the inital vote, but he opposed the war once he was in the Senate. The Stranger Jun 2014 #120
She failed, and then Obama named her Secretary of State. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #122
It Wasn't A Few billhicks76 Jun 2014 #152
I Did billhicks76 Jun 2014 #146
Kerry was a war whore, too. n/t Orsino Jun 2014 #167
you don't know that she would be bombing ASAP. Thoughtless thing to say. olddad56 Jun 2014 #27
Hillary's been jonesing for a bombing of Iran for a long time uhnope Jun 2014 #71
100's of thousands died in the Iraq war and some are still dying from depleted uranium. L0oniX Jun 2014 #136
First thing that came to my mind also. LoisB Jun 2014 #177
when you are voting on a war resolution as a US senator, wordpix Jun 2014 #181
Well she is definitely running. Egnever Jun 2014 #2
She was ALWAYS running. That was part of the deal between her & Barack back in 2008 johnlucas Jun 2014 #23
Nice story bro. DURHAM D Jun 2014 #32
Glad you brought up the analogy in the last paragraph. It strikes me as that way, too. freshwest Jun 2014 #34
It's funny how history has these kinds of parallels. Democratic Party will be seen as one in growth. johnlucas Jun 2014 #51
Got to watch out for those ambitious women MyNameGoesHere Jun 2014 #60
Just looking to find an insult, ain'tcha? What will you say when I help her FULFILL her ambition? johnlucas Jun 2014 #70
There is more than one kind of ambition, but some fall for the Gordon Gecko model every time. freshwest Jun 2014 #79
Thank YOU freshwest. This means a lot coming from you johnlucas Jun 2014 #82
I would love to see her win. riqster Jun 2014 #101
You're welcome johnlucas Jun 2014 #135
Sound Great If... billhicks76 Jun 2014 #154
Well if you ain't figured it out by now you don't GET to that level without dealing with the machine johnlucas Jun 2014 #158
I Know But billhicks76 Jun 2014 #161
It is, isn't it? But I have already let that go. johnlucas Jun 2014 #162
Despite billhicks76 Jun 2014 #163
Thanks billhicks76. I'll explain DEMOCRATIC vs. UNDERGROUND. johnlucas Jun 2014 #172
Great Post billhicks76 Jun 2014 #175
Great post. The Green Manalishi Jun 2014 #170
:) Alhough she won't be the First Feminist President. Hope you enjoy this: freshwest Jun 2014 #123
Hey I told you he was gonna win, didn't I? Hahahaha johnlucas Jun 2014 #134
I was looking for your post calling out the ambitiousness of Obama, Clinton, probably a few repubs MyNameGoesHere Jun 2014 #88
Some required reading for you johnlucas Jun 2014 #132
+1, people are so out of touch with American politics. joshcryer Jun 2014 #66
Oh yeeeaah, they're definitely priming the Castros for the Presidency johnlucas Jun 2014 #73
Yup. joshcryer Jun 2014 #75
Deal or no deal, she was always running. merrily Jun 2014 #86
You're EXACTLY right johnlucas Jun 2014 #133
Exactly billhicks76 Jun 2014 #153
I guarantee you this... Timez Squarez Jun 2014 #36
I know a member of her team here in AR who WhiteTara Jun 2014 #49
A mistake. Timez Squarez Jun 2014 #59
If I was a gambling man, I would bet against that guarantee of yours johnlucas Jun 2014 #77
No Way billhicks76 Jun 2014 #155
well, at least she admits it, heaven05 Jun 2014 #3
No, it's not good. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #19
ok heaven05 Jun 2014 #42
She voted to send thousands of troops Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #87
Indeed. Anyone with access to European news sites had a clue cprise Jun 2014 #142
She IS running and Elizabeth Warren is not going to run against her... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #5
These are not the only choices in the universe. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #20
WHO can run against ANY Republican and win hands down? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #22
I'm sorry, you are mistaken. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #25
Oh no I am not! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #38
Just like in 2006. How'd that turn out again? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #44
That was how many years ago? Had she been Sec. of State yet? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #45
The point, which you are desperately trying to avoid, is that jeff47 Jun 2014 #52
Not desperate at all that would be the Hillary haters....just stating the stone cold facts.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #54
People who aren't desperate do not constantly attempt jeff47 Jun 2014 #55
stating the facts is shutting down discussion? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #56
Stating "facts" once is not. jeff47 Jun 2014 #114
so what you still haven't been stopped from doing anything... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #128
It was also once a fact that women were not seen as viable candidates..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #129
That's Uncalled For billhicks76 Jun 2014 #159
Or project the Inevitability Meme onto others. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #108
It's projection when it's the core of their argument? jeff47 Jun 2014 #113
No one? Michael Dukakis has a 17 point lead over Poppy Bush in the same year as the election Reter Jun 2014 #110
Keep telling yourselves that! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #126
Hey Wait billhicks76 Jun 2014 #156
Don't know why so many are dead set on Warren, when Sherrod Brown is also a possibility Adenoid_Hynkel Jun 2014 #63
People are dead set on Warren because of her "fighting chance" message. winter is coming Jun 2014 #105
nothing like that 20/20 hindsight azurnoir Jun 2014 #6
Hope to see more excerpts. Life is often lived between a rock and hard place. With no mercy afforded freshwest Jun 2014 #7
Follow the link to CBS News in the OP... DonViejo Jun 2014 #8
Thanks, DV. freshwest Jun 2014 #13
You're very welcome. eom DonViejo Jun 2014 #14
A grave error in judgment. I just don't trust her to do the right thing. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #12
I trust Rick Perry or Ted Cruz even less. Faygo Kid Jun 2014 #15
False dichotomy much? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #21
No it is NOT a false dichotomy.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #24
''The lesser of two evils is still evil.'' n/t DeSwiss Jun 2014 #90
I don't either. That is way too big of a character fuck up than I'm comfortable with. The Stranger Jun 2014 #97
Holy cow what are gonna we complain about now? ucrdem Jun 2014 #16
Two/Three years from now OKNancy Jun 2014 #43
Things are moving in that direction. ucrdem Jun 2014 #53
It's the only thing making me excited about the run. joshcryer Jun 2014 #67
And won't appreciate a damn thing she gets done for all, either. Sounds familiar... freshwest Jun 2014 #72
Hear, hear!!! Beacool Jun 2014 #76
Good thing she didn't have a finger on the nuke button ...huh. L0oniX Jun 2014 #18
! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #91
Craven, Conned, Corrupt - Anyone of them disqualifies her for any further office on point Jun 2014 #28
Bingo! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #92
Bull......... Beacool Jun 2014 #102
Gee, where did we hear those terms before? So many gates: Trooper, Travel office, Foster, Whitewater freshwest Jun 2014 #109
The Left slanders her just as much as the Right. Beacool Jun 2014 #111
Agreed, and thanks for your insight. I said something similar elsewhere on this thread. freshwest Jun 2014 #116
Thank you, I'm fine. Beacool Jun 2014 #117
Perhaps she could've dismissed her atrocious vote as "a youthful indiscretion" RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #29
She simply misspoke. Whisp Jun 2014 #47
Good one. That works. Yes. "Mistakes were made." RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #57
From your mouth to G-d's ear. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #93
This is not really new OKNancy Jun 2014 #30
I think being Senator from the state that suffered the damage NYC did influenced her vote and not freshwest Jun 2014 #50
Aw, yes, the Hillary haters must be trying to elect Billy Cucumber-Libertarian. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #33
Ah, but I'm not a hater. Timez Squarez Jun 2014 #37
Nice Try billhicks76 Jun 2014 #157
She said the same thing 7 years ago OKNancy Jun 2014 #41
Yeah, but peeps can still keep on hating her the way the RW hated her as FLOTUS, right? freshwest Jun 2014 #106
She is much more adept at soothing the feelings of OKNancy Jun 2014 #118
I can forgive her for her vote and I do. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #58
Ah bullsh*t Hillary, BULLSH*T CountAllVotes Jun 2014 #62
Nope. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #94
So? Beacool Jun 2014 #103
Dislike for liars CountAllVotes Jun 2014 #119
Good for her. I respect when people admit they were wrong. phleshdef Jun 2014 #68
Well, it's too late now, Mrs. Clinton. You should have known better. antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #69
We're sick and tired of hearing your song..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #95
Oh she is so running. /nt Ash_F Jun 2014 #74
Many places in the world are leaving us behind DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #78
Just go away, for the love of God. N/T BlueStater Jun 2014 #80
I'll reserve judgement what is written until the book comes out and I have a chance to read it davidpdx Jun 2014 #81
So, when she said that she had simply taken the word of Bushco (including Hagel, btw) merrily Jun 2014 #85
So does this mean the stigma of un-Presidentiality..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #89
Hillary Hillary Hillary LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #98
that's a start.... mike_c Jun 2014 #99
Don't apologize with a lie. yurbud Jun 2014 #100
Sen Bob Graham was begging.... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #104
I recall seeing a YouTube video that was made before the Iraq War when JDPriestly Jun 2014 #115
Is this the footage? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #131
Credit for seeing it was wrong in hindsight. Jamastiene Jun 2014 #121
To her credit, sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #124
Plain and Simple --- that's why you shouldn't be president. Hoppy Jun 2014 #125
Ohhh I'm soooo sorry you feel guilty. Fearless Jun 2014 #127
Their candidates are even more disingenuous than our candidates. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #130
Yep...got it wrong all right. Maybe that's why we should be looking NorthCarolina Jun 2014 #137
All the Hillary hate. I appear to have wandered onto Freeperville. n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #138
Yep, that's exactly what I have been saying from the day I came here. Beacool Jun 2014 #140
It would be fitting if Cindy Sheehan used her CA campaign to denounce Hillary cprise Jun 2014 #143
Oh, please. Beacool Jun 2014 #144
A bovinity and dismissive attitude that is flattering only cprise Jun 2014 #145
Unfortunately, she won't say the same about her Patriot Act vote Reter Jun 2014 #139
Sure, sure; and banks are bad... Helen Borg Jun 2014 #141
I sold out plain and simple on point Jun 2014 #150
Aren't people other than in politics, punished for their mistakes? David_ness Jun 2014 #160
No Bickle Jun 2014 #164
Baloney. Pure 100% CYA craven baloney. cali Jun 2014 #165
"Plain and simple" = nothing to see; move along. Orsino Jun 2014 #166
has Hillary ever gotten anything right in government? lululu Jun 2014 #168
Only if seen from the far right karynnj Jun 2014 #171
She sure did. Splinter Cell Jun 2014 #173
Glad she admits it. rosesaylavee Jun 2014 #178
She was singing a different tune in 2008. clg311 Jun 2014 #182
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