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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
69. Femen stunts highly questionable...
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:02 PM
Jun 2014
Ukraine is not a Brothel, directed by 28-year-old Australian film-maker Kitty Green, has “outed” Victor Svyatski as the mastermind behind the group. Mr Syvatski is known as a “consultant” to the movement. According to the Femen website, he was badly beaten up by the secret services in Ukraine earlier this summer because of his activities on behalf of the group. However, Ms Green reveals that Svyatski is not simply a supporter of Femen but its founder and éminence grise. “It’s his movement and he hand-picked the girls. He hand-picked the prettiest girls because the prettiest girls sell more papers. The prettiest girls get on the front page... that became their image, that became the way they sold the brand,” she says.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-man-who-made-femen-new-film-outs-victor-svyatski-as-the-mastermind-behind-the-protest-group-and-its-breastbaring-stunts-8797042.html




The fast-food feminism of the topless Femen

Blond young women stripping off their shirts to protest for...women’s rights. Le Monde Diplomatique’s Mona Chollet reviews the purportedly feminist protest group called the Femen, finding little evidence of feminism and a budding affinity with France’s anti-Muslim right. Amina Tyler, Alia el Mahdi and other young Femen of the Arab Spring would do well to have a second look at their Ukrainian mentors, she suggests.

Exclusive April 2013, by Mona Chollet

SNIP

The permanent reduction of women to their bodies and their sexuality, the negation of their intellectual abilities, the social invisibility of women who cannot please the male gaze: these are keystones of the patriarchal system. It is rather stupefying that a purportedly feminist ’movement’ — there are no more than twenty Femen in France — cannot see this. «We live under male domination,» Inna Shevchenko told The Guardian, «and nudity is the only way to provoke them, to get their attention.» So, a feminism that bends to male domination: well, it had to be invented.

Shevchenko not only accepts this order of things, she approves of it: «Classic feminism is a sick old woman, it does not work anymore. It is stuck in the world of conferences and books.» She is right: death to sick old women, they are not even pleasing to look at! And books? They are full of words that cause headaches.

In his excellent book on the use of bodies in politics, Claude Guillon said of Shevchenko’s sick old woman: «Even the most charitable of readers would say that Shevchenko’s statement expresses the presumption and the cruelty of youth. But we should also add: the greatness of its imbecility! The image of feminists as old ladies, cut off from the rest of the world — and if Inna read books she might have known this — is an abiding anti-feminist cliche. A pity to see it taken up by an activist who pretends to be renewing feminism.» More recently, the group’s members in France resigned themselves to publishing a book, of interviews. «In France, you have to publish something in order to be taken seriously,» sighs one of the Femen in an interview in Liberation. Oh, the misery.


If they have to ask a disgraced oligarch for evidence jakeXT Jun 2014 #1
Putin's funny. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #2
Your first link is prior to 16 Mar 2014 dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #3
Yeah, and *this* is from March 3, 2014. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #4
I can only suggest you forward that to Kerry dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #6
Kerry's not the one whose credibility is suspect here. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #7
The credibility issue dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #8
And Putin's credibility issue is that he flat out lied about Russian military in Crimea. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #30
+ 1 n/t MBS Jun 2014 #32
And you expected anyone is a war to tell the Truth????? happyslug Jun 2014 #64
Sounds like a reasonable request, SamKnause Jun 2014 #5
So Kerry himself lacks this evidence? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #9
Americans use unsecured jamzrockz Jun 2014 #10
One might guess that the Russians are the one's with the superior spy network karynnj Jun 2014 #12
NYT: “In Ukraine War, Kremlin Leaves No Fingerprints.”“Mr. Putin may not be directing these events.. jakeXT Jun 2014 #27
The problem for Putin is that his credibility's been totally shot after Crimea Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #29
Help me out, what's the name for your fallacy? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #49
Actually in the US legal system a person's prior lies can be used to impeach their crediblity... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #86
This is not a legal proceeding and you are sticking to the fallacy. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #87
If you bothered to read my posts upthread.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #88
It is relevant to add that Kerry is meeting with Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister karynnj Jun 2014 #11
Vladimir Putin to Dubya, 2008: Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #13
I read that Article, and I seriously has doubt on the author's position. happyslug Jun 2014 #61
Informative & appreciated JackRiddler Jun 2014 #63
I hate to say this the Communists of Today's Russia are the most progressive group happyslug Jun 2014 #65
I can't speak for the author's ultimate opinion... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #85
Kerry, Lavrov agree Ukraine should not be 'pawn' in East-West power struggle bemildred Jun 2014 #14
Lugansk residents granted humanitarian corridor to flee Ukraine bemildred Jun 2014 #15
Russia Says Thousands Crossing Border to Flee Ukraine bemildred Jun 2014 #16
If nothing else Russia's got a better National Anthem anyway. dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #24
I'm just glad they are letting them out. bemildred Jun 2014 #26
Couldn't agree more dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #31
I always found it odd that the RF would re-adopt an old Soviet/Stalinist relic as its anthem. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #37
Was because it because its a hymn dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #43
I dunno. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #45
That you would make this comparison speaks volumes. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #60
Speaks volumes to what? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #83
You prefer the first words of the tune we call the Star Spangle Banner? happyslug Jun 2014 #66
So much better! JackRiddler Jun 2014 #72
I was surprised by "Die Wacht am Rhein" in Casablanca, but it seems it was a copyright issue jakeXT Jun 2014 #79
You completely missed my point. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #84
Germans still singing the Deutschlandlied. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #89
The Deutschlandlied was written long before that country's darkest era. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #91
Over the Soviet/Russian anthem? Absolutely. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #82
So which story is more likely? JackRiddler Jun 2014 #62
I have no doubt people are fleeing. nt bemildred Jun 2014 #67
So then this story is a case... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #68
They are all spewing bullshit, if that's your point. bemildred Jun 2014 #70
Harper, Obama opposed to G7 leaders meeting with Putin bemildred Jun 2014 #17
Tough. dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #19
Harper says Putin should be at D-Day ceremonies but also grasp strong message bemildred Jun 2014 #20
France is going to train Russian sailors in about two weeks jakeXT Jun 2014 #25
Yes. bemildred Jun 2014 #28
reminds me of the penny-dreadful crap that helped whip up WWI MisterP Jun 2014 #46
Selling papers and selling war ? jakeXT Jun 2014 #50
for the 1895 campaign he showed Portsmouth's town hall heaped with the dead MisterP Jun 2014 #57
Harper is totally the ally you want. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #52
Left Out of G7, Putin Wishes World Leaders 'Bon Appetit' bemildred Jun 2014 #18
Bit like saying dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #22
You cannot threaten people with things they are not afraid of. nt bemildred Jun 2014 #23
Obama, Cameron give Putin a month to meet Ukraine conditions, or face further sanctions bemildred Jun 2014 #21
get away from the border.....make sure no arms cross the border /nt jakeXT Jun 2014 #33
Fat chance. Can we close our border? nt bemildred Jun 2014 #39
Who are the masked mercenaries in Ukraine? bemildred Jun 2014 #34
Ingushetia leader: There are Ingush volunteers among Luhansk, Donetsk militants dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #55
Yep. Volunteers. nt bemildred Jun 2014 #59
Closest analogy that comes to mind dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #76
There are people who like war, war groupies. bemildred Jun 2014 #77
Eastern Ukraine Has Been a Mafia State for Years. Can Kiev Break the Cycle of Violence? bemildred Jun 2014 #35
Concerns about possible escalation of Ukraine crisis have risen -ECB bemildred Jun 2014 #36
They sent all those 'fighters' From Ukraine back to Russia. Why did russia accept their dead?. Sunlei Jun 2014 #38
Cameron and Putin clash in tense face-to-face talks in Paris bemildred Jun 2014 #40
Will it be more than one armed battle group ? jakeXT Jun 2014 #44
I see a bunch of ignorant politicians posturing ineffectively like buffoons. bemildred Jun 2014 #47
Gwynne Dyer: The irony of Vladimir Putin's visit to Normandy bemildred Jun 2014 #48
Yeap.... Xolodno Jun 2014 #54
And that is the "good" outcome. bemildred Jun 2014 #58
Lavrov: Normandy meetings participants should find ways to help settle Ukraine conflict bemildred Jun 2014 #41
Germany's Merkel pledges to help new Ukraine leader, says country will need Russia's help too bemildred Jun 2014 #42
Putin Forever? Russian President's Ratings Skyrocket Over Ukraine bemildred Jun 2014 #51
This explains it all. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #90
Topless feminist stabs wax Putin in France bemildred Jun 2014 #53
Femen stunts highly questionable... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #69
I just thought it fit in with the general tone of the discussion. nt bemildred Jun 2014 #71
What bothers is the "feminist" designation. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #73
OK. nt bemildred Jun 2014 #74
Just ask our group here at DU what they think about "femen" being run by a man using women. jakeXT Jun 2014 #78
so now it's wrong to help separatists a government thinks will support their interests? yurbud Jun 2014 #56
Call me when Syria or Libya wants to be aborbed into the United States. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #81
.they might have chosen that if they knew the other choice was Somalia like chaos yurbud Jun 2014 #92
Ukraine closes border posts after night assaults bemildred Jun 2014 #75
There are also those phone calls from well dressed and armed people who took over- Sunlei Jun 2014 #80
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