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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
58. Little chance of it, I think.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jun 2014

There is no answer to this one. So the m.o. for these kinds of events is to ignore it altogether. If the swarm doesn't intervene, there will be no arguments over their incredibly dense & silly talking points, and thus no 500-post thread that stays atop the forum for a week.

A week later, they will pretend it didn't happen, or else take some quote from 20 years ago or without context to show that Al Gore supports a strong defense and opposes terrorism, therefore agrees with the anti-Snowden party line, or Al Gore didn't really say what you crazy people think he said, etc. etc.

The ways of sophistry are manifold!

Does this mean Al is a Libertarian now? [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2014 #1
It means he is now under the bus! villager Jun 2014 #2
Gore Knows billhicks76 Jun 2014 #109
Indeed he does know- in fact he railed about it loudly in 2006... stlsaxman Jun 2014 #153
Thanks billhicks76 Jun 2014 #154
That was a great speech! Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #160
He knows because they worked for him for 8 years and he pulled the strings? 24601 Jun 2014 #158
Not What I Implied billhicks76 Jun 2014 #159
They responded to his tasking and he received their reports. After 8 years as VP, he certainly 24601 Jun 2014 #161
Agreed But billhicks76 Jun 2014 #162
Makes you wonder why he didn't speak out when he was in power. But on 2nd thought, it's not 24601 Jun 2014 #164
Fear billhicks76 Jun 2014 #165
LOL good joke! Almost thought you were serious until re-reading it and realizing it was parody for 24601 Jun 2014 #166
Not Joking billhicks76 Jun 2014 #167
Maybe he didn't "speak out" while he was VP because it wasn't stlsaxman Jul 2014 #200
I love your jokes. Tell the one again about how no abuses happened before 9/11. It has all of 24601 Jul 2014 #201
It seems you're the one joking to believe the NSA was anything resembling what happened after Bush Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #202
Thanks Uncle Joe. stlsaxman Jul 2014 #204
I think that it just means he is speaking his honest opinion. olddad56 Jun 2014 #3
Because no one at DU does that? merrily Jun 2014 #13
It's actually a pretty small bandwagon. Maedhros Jun 2014 #38
"We" have an answer for that, too. Two answers, really. merrily Jun 2014 #42
I'm pretty sure Maedhros meant the opposite LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #136
Indeed. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2014 #145
My post contained two opposing scenarios. merrily Jun 2014 #175
In both scenerios LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #188
No, only Scenario one mentions a minority. Scenario 2 mentions a small majority. merrily Jun 2014 #194
I concede LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #195
It means he hates Obama tk2kewl Jun 2014 #5
And you know what that means. merrily Jun 2014 #44
Racist? Enthusiast Jun 2014 #49
Yes because AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #141
No, it just proves how self-serving Nader was when he constantly pnwmom Jun 2014 #28
Maybe some of the actions of the Clinton administration confused him. merrily Jun 2014 #93
It doesn't take any imagination, we know Gore would've been a different and better President Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #98
As I said, no matter how certain people think they are, they can't know. merrily Jun 2014 #101
Obama was a relative unknown not even finishing his first term as Senator before being elected Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #106
He'd had 12 years as a state senator, though, so it's not as though he had no record. And, there merrily Jun 2014 #107
State senators are much more obscure than holding national office and insofar as the NSA is Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #110
Whatever, dude. Like Lincoln, Obama had a record and a responsible citizen merrily Jun 2014 #187
He wasn't confused. He would say anything to get more votes for himself. pnwmom Jun 2014 #112
Unlike most politicians? Come on, now. merrily Jun 2014 #114
You're right. It's the essence of silliness to debate the idea Gore would have attacked Iraq. n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #115
Please tell me you're kidding with that debating technique. merrily Jun 2014 #117
This thread has nothing to do with Nader. I hear the sound of axes grinding. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #203
Apparently so AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #140
Al Gore was a Russian pole dancer Newsjock Jun 2014 #4
There must be boxes in his garage! 1000words Jun 2014 #11
Can you please explain that? I've seen it so many times, but I don't get it. merrily Jun 2014 #116
It's origins were from early accounts of Snowden, from his neighbors. 1000words Jun 2014 #120
Aside from the fact that its almost always the Pro-snowden people using it against the Antis nt Bodhi BloodWave Jun 2014 #126
I think it's important to point out to the Snowden haters that Al Gore rhett o rick Jun 2014 #6
Democracy, is that like counting votes ? /nt jakeXT Jun 2014 #43
Sorry, I dont understand. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #47
Democracy existed in Ancient Athens. We have a republic, more like Ancient Rome. merrily Jun 2014 #105
From pottery shards to punch cards jakeXT Jun 2014 #111
Pottery shards are a bit bulky, but no hanging chads, dimpled chads, etc.! merrily Jun 2014 #113
We have a modern democracy. A representative democracy. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #129
We don't have 'one person, one vote' AgingAmerican Jun 2014 #142
That is what we need to change. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #189
Government by representative is the very definition of a republic. merrily Jun 2014 #183
Thanks for bringing this back to the point, RoR... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #103
As for the SCOTUS, I am in Wash the State. We have two Democratic Senators rhett o rick Jun 2014 #123
Whether You Agree Or Disagree With Vice President Gore, We Should ALL Respect His Opinion!!! Corey_Baker08 Jun 2014 #118
I agree and respect Al Gore. Not sure your post is aimed at me. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #121
People become disagreeable because they are frustrated that they cannot find the words JDPriestly Jun 2014 #130
Excellent! JDPriestly Jun 2014 #128
Awesome Post billhicks76 Jun 2014 #155
K&R SamKnause Jun 2014 #7
Ah hurd Al Gore once ate an endangered sea bass ... DirkGently Jun 2014 #8
All right Al, get the fuck under that bus! mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #9
Too late. Below the bus status is automatic and instantaneous. merrily Jun 2014 #15
Kudos to Al Gore.... Another Inconvenient Truth= Snowden is a Patriot! bvar22 Jun 2014 #10
It's not fair to imply that those that hate Snowden and whistle-blowers in general also hate Democra rhett o rick Jun 2014 #48
Let the Gore trashing on DU commence Dopers_Greed Jun 2014 #12
Little chance of it, I think. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #58
Al Gore is FAT! nxylas Jun 2014 #61
It means he has an opinion that differs from others. We agree Snowden broke the law. kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #14
Gore was literally born into politics and law. He has a law degree. He got into Congress at 28. merrily Jun 2014 #20
He also played politics with Elian Gonzales' life. He can be wrong. randome Jun 2014 #22
That has nothing to do with being in a better position to judge intel matters than a DUer. merrily Jun 2014 #27
He refused to take a stand but was 'leaning' toward not returning the boy to his father. randome Jun 2014 #31
Even assuming your assessment is correct, your accusation seems to amount to merrily Jun 2014 #34
Eh. Gore has been out of politics for quite a while. randome Jun 2014 #51
Not at all. I've never served in a war zone, nor have I ever been briefed on classified info daily merrily Jun 2014 #52
Precisely. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #132
No, but the claim that all opinions on intel are equally valid is ludicrous. merrily Jun 2014 #182
I think you will eventually change your mind. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #131
I value many opinions of Al Gore but not all. And I am asking no one to value my opinion over kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #23
Similarly, I feel that many posters here would have reacted very differently if merrily Jun 2014 #29
What damage did he do to our securty? lark Jun 2014 #24
What the NSA types, Obama and Kerry have said. And no, aside from general claims, I have not heard merrily Jun 2014 #32
No specific claims of damage at all have been made by anyone that I've heard or seen. lark Jun 2014 #33
Candidly, even if they got specific, I would not take the word of the USG on something like this. merrily Jun 2014 #39
Exactly lark Jun 2014 #138
The most credible claims of damage refer to the anger of our allies Maedhros Jun 2014 #40
I so often agree with you, whether I post that or not, but not this time. merrily Jun 2014 #55
Oh, I don't think the claims of harm are valid, just that the "harmed relationships with allies" Maedhros Jun 2014 #66
IOW, the least false is still false? merrily Jun 2014 #70
Yes - I voted for that guy in 2008. Maedhros Jun 2014 #74
Beware of geeks (sic) bearing gifts. merrily Jun 2014 #82
Maybe even by the time he made his first selection for Senate approval, namely, Rahm. merrily Jun 2014 #86
The Democratic politicians for whom we are allowed to vote are largely imaginary entities, Maedhros Jun 2014 #89
Yep. Although, to be fair, the candidates on the Republican side are also products of merrily Jun 2014 #90
One thing to be said for the Republicans, though. Maedhros Jun 2014 #92
Maybe because they don't want to or have to? merrily Jun 2014 #94
That's been my thought for some time. Maedhros Jun 2014 #96
I don't know if that's all rank and file. merrily Jun 2014 #100
Two Words: Eric Cantor merrily Jun 2014 #168
Plus a gazillion, with a codicil: chervilant Jun 2014 #143
I think it is naive to believe that neither China nor Russia nor the Taliban would expect the US JDPriestly Jun 2014 #133
I don't think they were shocked. I think they knew. It seems evident Merkel did from her silly merrily Jun 2014 #176
Let's establish some perspective here. If the NSA is out of control, it may be very hard rhett o rick Jun 2014 #53
So what is this harm has been done? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #139
Good for him! rosesaylavee Jun 2014 #16
omg, it's NUANCE!! BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #17
Al Gore: Still FEARLESS! DesertDiamond Jun 2014 #18
There we go. closeupready Jun 2014 #19
Hair-on-fire hyperbole and nonsense OnyxCollie Jun 2014 #21
Sarcasm? lark Jun 2014 #25
Sorry Al... SoapBox Jun 2014 #26
Much as Reply #2 predicted. merrily Jun 2014 #63
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jun 2014 #30
Bravo. k/r 840high Jun 2014 #35
I think we must all feel some gratitude toward Gore. pennylane100 Jun 2014 #36
On this issue (classified info) in particular, he has far more basis to form an expert opinion merrily Jun 2014 #67
Al Gore getting thrown under the bus WilliamPitt Jun 2014 #37
Al Gore was thrown under the bus in 2000 when there were people claiming no difference JI7 Jun 2014 #41
And he's also thrown under the bus in this very thread. merrily Jun 2014 #72
he isn't being thrown under the bus, people may disagree but they aren't claiming he is like Bush JI7 Jun 2014 #73
So a post with a puke emote saying he's lost his marbles is not throwing him under the bus? merrily Jun 2014 #75
i didn't see that one but still one post JI7 Jun 2014 #76
It's early. And most of the posters who can't stand Snowden have not merrily Jun 2014 #78
multiple threads defending it JI7 Jun 2014 #80
Well, what you "said" was merrily Jun 2014 #84
i was referring to threads defending it JI7 Jun 2014 #85
For the third time, I missed the POS bit on multiple threads. Or on any thread. merrily Jun 2014 #87
i didn't miss them JI7 Jun 2014 #88
As I said, I find it hard to believe that I missed all of them. Yet, I did. merrily Jun 2014 #91
Kicked and recommended, I couldn't agree more. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #45
Al is right. Again. AzDar Jun 2014 #46
Al Gore obviously isn't paying attention. DesMoinesDem Jun 2014 #50
He HAS been a busy little termite, hasn't he? GliderGuider Jun 2014 #57
Sheesh! Mission or obsession? SaveOurDemocracy Jun 2014 #62
Obviously, mission. Maedhros Jun 2014 #146
Far more likely... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #147
day-um-- Ignore has been BUSY.... mike_c Jun 2014 #68
Heh ... 1000words Jun 2014 #122
Someone has been VERY busy . . . for an amateur. pa28 Jun 2014 #124
(So very glad that person is on my IL...) n/t chervilant Jun 2014 #144
Hilarious billhicks76 Jun 2014 #156
Damnit, I wish he had ended up the President. blackspade Jun 2014 #54
If he had, he might not be this candid. merrily Jun 2014 #79
True, but almost anything would have been better than 8 years of Shrub and Darth Cheney blackspade Jun 2014 #104
Too bad the NSA surveillance can't look at YouTube, else it might have found the lunatic shooters valerief Jun 2014 #56
This argument will lead to a literal 1984. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #60
Actually, my point was that the NSA surveillance which is supposed to protect us from terrorism valerief Jun 2014 #64
couldn't get two clues from Russian intelligence about the Tsarnaev brothers either. merrily Jun 2014 #81
All that snooping... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #97
Yes, the verdict is not the only thing the snooping accomplishes, by far. merrily Jun 2014 #108
We dont have telescreens in our homes yet--that we know of. merrily Jun 2014 #77
The Secret Service is searching for a sarcasm detector on twitter jakeXT Jun 2014 #69
The government could always ban humor. Then we'd all be teabaggers and valerief Jun 2014 #71
Rut roh. I'd better modify my default posting style. merrily Jun 2014 #83
LOL Amonester Jun 2014 #125
I tend to post sarcastically, but without the sarcasm smiley. merrily Jun 2014 #186
In retrospect, I should have used the "ironic" font when I posted this: Dragonfli Jun 2014 #95
Just a few and that name removed guy /nt jakeXT Jun 2014 #99
Everything was so exaggerated (I was going for obvious caricature) that I don't get Dragonfli Jun 2014 #102
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #59
Al was always a Paulbot anyway.... mike_c Jun 2014 #65
Kick and Rec! neverforget Jun 2014 #119
Thank you Al Gore. Al Gore gets it. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #127
you know, for all the "hillary is inevtable" threads DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #134
Gore is a year younger than Clinton. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #148
me too- in fact I wrote a lymeric about it in 2006 after his speech to the stlsaxman Jun 2014 #152
She Dropped 5 Points This Week billhicks76 Jun 2014 #157
Based on 2008, her dropping is also inevitable. merrily Jun 2014 #172
I Agree billhicks76 Jun 2014 #184
Biden seems as though he's dying to run. I hope some others step up as well. merrily Jun 2014 #185
Biden Would Lose Maybe billhicks76 Jun 2014 #191
Have you read Newsome's wiki? merrily Jun 2014 #192
No billhicks76 Jun 2014 #198
Ahhh...Ron Pelosi billhicks76 Jun 2014 #199
You can. You can write him in. merrily Jun 2014 #170
and the GOP would thank me DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #171
suit yourself. merrily Jun 2014 #173
actually, it is DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #174
You have actual choices. However, been taught-and reinforce for yourself--that you merrily Jun 2014 #177
oh how wrong you are DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #178
Then why do you post, pining for an "actual" choice? merrily Jun 2014 #179
because DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #180
Imagining something like that is nice, but I doubt it occurs. merrily Jun 2014 #181
Whistleblowers almost always have to break the law tavalon Jun 2014 #135
The Powers That Be make rules against exposure of themselves. Therefore, whistle-blowers have to rhett o rick Jun 2014 #163
Or maybe people who just disagree tavalon Jun 2014 #196
We all have to weigh the risks against the benefits. Having young children raises the risks rhett o rick Jun 2014 #197
But but... The NSA did not do anything illegal! Helen Borg Jun 2014 #137
Overclassification is illegal under US law. And, the Bill of Rights is still law. In theory, anyway merrily Jun 2014 #169
I was being sarcastic. The entire thing is unconstitutional Helen Borg Jun 2014 #190
Sorry I missed the sarcasm. I am prone to that, even though merrily Jun 2014 #193
Al probably read "Nowhere to Hide...Snowden..NSA" - Greenwald MzNov Jun 2014 #149
Delete one of these... having posting problems MzNov Jun 2014 #151
Al probably read "Nowhere to Hide...Snowden..NSA" - Greenwald MzNov Jun 2014 #150
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