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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
19. Truly a selective history.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:23 AM
Aug 2014

This isn't the place for a full chronology but I'll remind that yes, right after the coup, on the first day, the new government initiated a political attack on Russian-speaking populations, prompting the secession of Crimea a couple of weeks later. They also started a street terror in Kiev against political opponents and media who weren't on their line. And then, as the separatists organized in the east, the supporters and militias of the Kiev parties (and eventually the Ukrainian regular army) initiated the violence against eastern Ukraine. They have used awful rhetoric about "subhumans" and "terrorists" and refused opportunities for a negotiated solution at a time when the separatists had weak popular support and Putin was urging them not to hold their referendum (May 11).

Most of the people dying in this conflict so far are civilian non-combatants in eastern Ukraine, killed by the Kiev forces. Why don't they matter?

Hope your comment proves correct Dems to Win Aug 2014 #1
This will not sit well with the vast number of folk who do not want their sons fighting for a regime Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #3
I'll second that hope that you're right. I see Petro ballyhoo Aug 2014 #2
Wow, amazing to see how many on DU are excited about an expansionist Russia. 7962 Aug 2014 #4
What's "amazing" is your power of misinterpretation. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #5
Obviously They HAVE been making progress otherwise Russia wouldnt be invading openly. 7962 Aug 2014 #9
Oy vey. "Russia invading openly." If Russia were invading openly, Kiev would VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #10
Yes, keep "hoping" for a more aggressive Russia. What threat to Europe has Ukraine been? 7962 Aug 2014 #11
I'm anti-fascist. Why do you support neo-Nazis (Right Sector) and fascists (Svoboda)? VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #12
Have you read the definition of fascism and applied to Putin. pampango Aug 2014 #15
Thank you for that. very well said. 7962 Aug 2014 #21
So you advocating for an aggressive US/EU response Union Scribe Aug 2014 #13
Back in 1989-90, IIRC, then Secretary of State James Baker promised his VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #17
Listen to Putins speech from today. If that doesnt tell you where we are, nothing will 7962 Aug 2014 #22
So the last ones drafted for the Army thought they would get out in October jakeXT Aug 2014 #6
Ukraine spends 1.1% of GDP on its military. Russia - 5%. Income inequalty in Ukraine is like Sweden. pampango Aug 2014 #7
Military budget and income inequality JackRiddler Aug 2014 #8
I read that Ukraine's president asked for a 50% increase in defense spending - to 1.7% of GDP. pampango Aug 2014 #14
Indirectly this illustrates how ridiculous... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #16
Ahh yes, the 'coup'. The world's first "I'm leaving because I want to" 'coup'. pampango Aug 2014 #18
Truly a selective history. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #19
As is yours. Though I appreciate you not defending the "I'm leaving because I want to" coup. pampango Aug 2014 #20
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