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In reply to the discussion: Don't mess with nuclear Russia, Putin says [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)42. Politifact: Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion
in Ukraine.
(In the December 2013 speech) She (Nuland) described how American taxpayer money has supported Ukraines democratic development despite the countrys challenges.
"Since Ukraine's independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are preconditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations," she said. "We have invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine."
Our ruling
Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion in Ukraine.
Thats a distorted understanding of remarks given by a State Department official. She was referring to money spent on democracy-building programs in Ukraine since it broke off from the Soviet Union in 1991.
We rate the claim Pants on Fire.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/
The $5 billion was spent over 22 years in Ukraine as it has in many countries. It did not spend $5 just to "engineering a coup in Ukraine that overthrew the elected democratic government".
"Since Ukraine's independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are preconditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations," she said. "We have invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine."
Our ruling
Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion in Ukraine.
Thats a distorted understanding of remarks given by a State Department official. She was referring to money spent on democracy-building programs in Ukraine since it broke off from the Soviet Union in 1991.
We rate the claim Pants on Fire.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/
The $5 billion was spent over 22 years in Ukraine as it has in many countries. It did not spend $5 just to "engineering a coup in Ukraine that overthrew the elected democratic government".
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you sir . invaded ukrane . not us . plain and simple . want us to back down , leave sir.
allan01
Aug 2014
#1
And how would you have reacted had he said the same to us when we invaded Iraq? nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#61
That was kinda my point, the citizens need to vote Putin out the next time around
IronGate
Aug 2014
#55
Plus 1000! I have been saying since the Crimea invasion that the lesson is that nuclear armed
kelly1mm
Aug 2014
#53
Politifact: Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion
pampango
Aug 2014
#42
No that's what climate change deniers always say. That does not work with liberals.
pampango
Aug 2014
#72
As The Man Said, Sir: You Can Have Your Own Opinions, But Not Your Own Facts...
The Magistrate
Aug 2014
#75
True, but that is not what I posted. I asked for the source the poster referred to so that
pampango
Aug 2014
#100
"Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion in Ukraine"
Cha
Aug 2014
#114
How do you figure? Mr. Yanukovych left just after signing an agreement to stay in power until
pampango
Aug 2014
#36
More To The Point, Sir, If They Did, Would You Want The U.S. Moving Tanks And Troops Into Mexico?
The Magistrate
Aug 2014
#18
I Disagree With All Of Them, Ma'am, But Fail To See How Any Supporting Putin In Ukraine Can Do So
The Magistrate
Aug 2014
#38
National borders don't mean as much if they are contiguous to a strong country?
pampango
Aug 2014
#78
"In my pragmatic world, everyone is not equal because they cannot be." "Thus, Russia's national
pampango
Aug 2014
#101
So "everyone is not equal because they cannot be" is an acceptable liberal policy outside the US
pampango
Aug 2014
#122
If you do not find it morally acceptable that Russia's (powerful) interests trump Ukraine's (lesser)
pampango
Aug 2014
#125
But We Know Who You Think Is For Calling Him, Sir, You Have Made That Quite Clear
The Magistrate
Aug 2014
#76
Calling Attention To Just Who You Say Wants That Bluff Called, And Why, Sir, Is Worth Doing
The Magistrate
Aug 2014
#93
Remember Bush during his mission accomplished speech. "The United States is the most powerful"
Monk06
Aug 2014
#84
A sign of insecurity and weakness, when you grab for the nuclear threat.
TwilightGardener
Aug 2014
#98