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Divernan

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54. I went through rush, turned down bids & joined a service sorority open to all who wished to join.
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 06:04 PM
Oct 2014
If greeks are not elitist snobs, give me one good reason why they so carefully screen out potential members, with multiple levels of rushing?


I've been a staff member (assistant dean of students) at a private university and a faculty member at a public university. I observed many problems with unhealthy competitiveness between houses for rankings, with plagiarizing term papers, with drunken behavior and brawling, hazing and with sexual exploitation and abuse by fraternity members of female "guests" at their weekend orgies. As to sports teams and marching bands - I came across no problems with hazing or drunken behavior with students in those organizations - but with the fraternities, it was nearly every weekend. The worst was when neighboring houses would get in public drunken brawls. It's fair to say I've had plenty of experience and opportunity to observe the greek system on multiple campuses.

But hey, don't take my word for it. Here's what peer reviewed research has proven!

Sorority girls are more likely to have body image issues and dysfunctional eating behaviors than their peers. Women in sororities are more likely to have body image issues and judge themselves on physical appearances than those who did not join a sorority. According to a study in the journal Sex Roles, research showed that first-year students who went through rush had greater signs of dysfunctional eating behavior than those who did not rush, and the body image issues continued for many new members. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100302112012.htm

The fraternity or sorority house is the largest on-campus venue for drinking. More students engaged in drinking at fraternity and sorority houses than any other on-campus venue or residence hall. According to the Harvard School of Public Health's College Alcohol Study, 75% of students living in fraternity and sorority houses were heavy drinkers, compared to 45% of students who lived in non-Greek housing and 35% of the overall student population. Students living off campus away from their parents and students living in fraternity or sorority houses had the highest rates of binge drinking. The amount of alcohol consumed per occasion appears to vary by setting (Harford et al., 2002b). Fraternity/sorority parties, off-campus bars, and off-campus parties were the sites of heaviest drinking. Although off-campus parties and bars were most heavily attended, a higher percentage of drinkers engaged in heavy drinking at fraternity/sorority parties
http://archive.sph.harvard.edu/cas/What-We-Learned-08.pdf


Greek members abuse prescription stimulants more than their peers. Fraternity and sorority members are more likely to abuse prescription stimulants such as Adderall, Ritalin or Dexedrine than the rest of the student population. According to a 2004 article published in the journal Addiction, white fraternity members and sorority members had the highest rate of abusing non-medical prescription stimulants. Results: The findings revealed that fraternity and sorority members reported a higher rate of nonmedical stimulant use than nonmembers. In addition, regression analyses revealed that higher ratings of anxiety, stress, internal impulsivity, and internal restlessness significantly predicted nonmedical stimulant use.http://jad.sagepub.com/content/17/2/87.abstract


Sorority members are more likely to be victims of sexual assault. Sorority members have a greater risk of being sexually assaulted in college than non-members. According to the National Institute of Justice, nearly a quarter of sexual assault victims are sorority members, whereas only 14 percent of nonvictims were sorority members. These women also face a higher risk for violence in dating relationships than other female students. http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape-sexual-violence/campus/Pages/increased-risk.aspx


Fraternity and sorority members suffer more alcohol-related consequences than their peers. According to the National Criminal Justice Reference Service, fraternities and sororities are more likely to suffer alcohol-related consequences than non-Greek students because they drink more. These consequences range from poor test performance, alcohol-related injuries, arguments, assault, property damage and sexual assault. In fact, Greek leaders and those living in a sorority or fraternity house experience the most negative consequences because of their own drinking habits and those of other students.This document discusses alcohol and other drug use by college fraternity and sorority members.
Abstract: The consequences of drinking on campus each year are 1,400 deaths from alcohol-related causes; 500,000 unintentional injuries; 600,000 assaults; and 70,000 cases of sexual assault and acquaintance rape. Fraternities and sororities are among the key groups that foster this culture of drinking on campus. Their members drink far greater amounts of alcohol, and do so more frequently than other members, setting a norm for heavy drinking. A national study on college drinking found that fraternity members were much more likely to engage in heavy drinking than their non-fraternity peers. Among women, 62.4 percent of sorority members engaged in heavy drinking, compared with 40.9 percent of other female students. Residency in a fraternity or sorority house was associated with even higher rates of heavy drinking. Fraternity and sorority-affiliated athletes are especially heavy drinkers. The largest on-campus venue for drinking is the fraternity or sorority house. Approximately 50 percent of students living in a fraternity or sorority house performed poorly on a test or project, versus about 25 percent of all students. The leaders of fraternities and sororities suffer even greater consequences than other members. One study found that 26.9 percent of fraternity leaders and 18.6 percent of sorority leaders had suffered an alcohol-related injury. Eighty-three percent of residents in a fraternity or sorority house experienced negative consequences due to other students’ drinking, such as a serious argument, assault, property damage, having to take care of a drunken student, interrupted sleep or study, an unwanted sexual advance, or sexual assault or acquaintance rape. Twenty to 25 percent of college women are victims of an attempted or completed rape during their college careers. Both the social environment of fraternities and sororities and the fact that new students that are already heavy drinkers are more likely to want to join these societies contribute to high rates of alcohol consumption. College and university prevention efforts should target these social societies by promoting alcohol- and drug-free social options; creating an environment that promotes healthy social norms; and limiting alcohol availability and access. https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=203748


The environment in fraternity houses contributes to rape culture. Research suggests that fraternity house environments contribute to the problem of rape. Fraternities' group norms and attitudes toward women and sex have led to this rape culture environment. According to research from the journal Sex Roles, individual fraternity men are more likely to display objectifying images of women in their rooms, have supportive attitudes about rape and believe women want to engage in rough sexual acts even if they act disinterested.

"Our examination of men's social fraternities on college and university campuses as groups and organizations led us to conclude that fraternities are a physical and sociocultural context that encourages the sexual coercion of women. Rape is especially probable in fraternities because of the kinds of organizations they are, the kinds of members they have, the practices their members engage in, and a virtual absence of university or community oversight. Fraternities create a sociocultural context in which the use of coercion in sexual relations with women is normative and in which the mechanisms to keep this pattern of behavior in check are minimal at best and absent at worst.
http://archive.sph.harvard.edu/cas/What-We-Learned-08.pdf
http://courses.ttu.edu/jkoch/intro/Readings/Frat%20Rape.pdf
Arrest made in Hattiesburg Zoo flamingo snatching Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #1
Six Pi Kappa Alpha boys too stoned/drunk to read directions Divernan Oct 2014 #5
Fraternities and sororities are a plague on the collegiate system? liberal N proud Oct 2014 #20
W/ exception of service organizations (APO), they are elitist snobs Divernan Oct 2014 #21
The school where I attended and belonged to a fraternity did not limit our social interactions liberal N proud Oct 2014 #31
Without greeks, campus life does all of that. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #37
Sigma Chi, for 2012, had donated a total of 1,436,883 dollars to charity. liberal N proud Oct 2014 #38
Yes. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #41
Where is the evidence? liberal N proud Oct 2014 #44
Since there is no national organization tallying its efforts, the evidence would have to be compiled Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #45
probably? liberal N proud Oct 2014 #46
Data is my business and I use cautionary words with intent. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #53
There is one thing your loner students will never have... liberal N proud Oct 2014 #56
I'm not one who said they had no value. You stated some absurd things about non-greeks upthread Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #57
Nothing I have said is absurd, it is how it is in the real world liberal N proud Oct 2014 #60
In the real world, some think frats and sororities detract from school identity and social life. Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #61
Phrase,"loner students"?Typical greek contempt for non-greeks. Divernan Oct 2014 #68
Racist greek parties target Hispanics, Asians, Blacks, Native Americans. Divernan Oct 2014 #69
excellent observations Scout Oct 2014 #81
I dunno... sendero Oct 2014 #24
Exactly liberal N proud Oct 2014 #29
SUNY has no fraternities or sororities when I went to school wilt the stilt Oct 2014 #49
My college had no fraternities or sororities either. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #76
Yale let them back in after I left KamaAina Oct 2014 #86
"Campus life without the fraternities and sororities would become very bland" Scout Oct 2014 #80
"They are elitist snobs".. a sweeping generalization from LeftinOH Oct 2014 #32
I went through rush, turned down bids & joined a service sorority open to all who wished to join. Divernan Oct 2014 #54
Thank you for your very informational post. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #63
Articles written by individuals who dislike fraternities & sororities and who LeftinOH Oct 2014 #72
So you dismiss all peer reviewed research on basis of YOUR unfounded assumption. Divernan Oct 2014 #73
Reply #56 certainly IS a pathetic description of anyone who LeftinOH Oct 2014 #82
They're not just "articles," they're backed by data Gormy Cuss Oct 2014 #79
Make him pay VA_Jill Oct 2014 #48
future GOP politician I presume tomm2thumbs Oct 2014 #2
Yes, starting early. Will get off with a slap on the wrist, too. freshwest Oct 2014 #4
Nasty! shenmue Oct 2014 #3
damn, they couldn't just steal a few yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #6
in Austin when Woolworth's went out of business Skittles Oct 2014 #8
funny... yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #16
We have 2 in our yard whistler162 Oct 2014 #14
well no you don't have to be rich to own them... yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #15
disgusting Skittles Oct 2014 #7
PIKE suspended in Fla,Cal,Tenn,Texas,LA,Maryland,Michigan,Mass.,NY,Illinois Divernan Oct 2014 #9
Fucking fraternities. What good comes out of them? cui bono Oct 2014 #10
I agree get the red out Oct 2014 #11
Big Pharma recruits drug sales reps from hot sorrority babes. Divernan Oct 2014 #12
College cheerleaders underpants Oct 2014 #28
That's almost any sales organization FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #35
The most dangerous and disolve worthy fraternity of all pipoman Oct 2014 #17
Sweet Flamingoes.. I love those graceful birds. Cha Oct 2014 #13
Thanks for the photo, Cha. They are incredible, and precious. Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #42
the "picture" part might be ass-covering Enrique Oct 2014 #18
At latest count, 9 guys being investigated-doubt they ALL misread the directions! Divernan Oct 2014 #19
I'm imagining them all coming back to the frat house Enrique Oct 2014 #22
Thanks for the laugh! Very funny! Divernan Oct 2014 #23
Yeah, that didn't pass the smell test at all. Maybe the hunt "organizers" bullwinkle428 Oct 2014 #26
the zoo cam caught 6 people!. 6 people need grand larceny charges. Miss. needs to ALSO charge Sunlei Oct 2014 #25
I am surprised an agricultural states don't exboyfil Oct 2014 #27
oh my, Miss. caught the 2, 20 year olds and the charges were misdemeaners. 1 was a Marine! Sunlei Oct 2014 #33
Correction - This is Iowa for the duck slaughter exboyfil Oct 2014 #34
Iowa is slack on their animal abuse laws too. even torture of pets charge-"aggravated misdemeanor" Sunlei Oct 2014 #36
Agriculture is big business. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #78
I could always pick out the Frat Rats among my students PeoViejo Oct 2014 #30
Whoa! I've heard about things like this for years. Looks as if it's true. Creepy. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #43
add animal cruelty charges and everything else they can throw at that nasty snot. magical thyme Oct 2014 #39
At least they didn't intend to kill the birds. JohnnyRingo Oct 2014 #40
remorse because the zoo cam caught them. 6 people were in the pen grabbing at frantic wild birds. Sunlei Oct 2014 #47
I was also considering community service. JohnnyRingo Oct 2014 #55
The end result is the same. LisaL Oct 2014 #51
The Frat should be barred from the school for at least 4 years minimum. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #50
Flamingo killed defending its mate, which also dies in frat initiation rite Judi Lynn Oct 2014 #52
sad Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #58
photo of Flamingo abuser Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #59
We had a similar thing here in a Lawrence Fraternity. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2014 #62
Funny that an English paper saw fit to give this coverage... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #64
Brits see US as violent, war-mongering, & gun-happy; this story fits right in. Divernan Oct 2014 #66
That's a huge generalization, but I get your point... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #67
Disgusting and sad. Those poor birds... CTyankee Oct 2014 #65
This is so infuriating! catchnrelease Oct 2014 #70
Thank you for an excellent explanation of the extent of the damage done. Divernan Oct 2014 #74
I blame the zoo. Protect animals in your care. Day and night. zonkers Oct 2014 #71
That is another great point exboyfil Oct 2014 #77
Sign the "Animal Bill of Rights"!!! All animals, especially those in captivity zonkers Oct 2014 #83
From what I read, the birds were making nests. LisaL Oct 2014 #85
That is what I had read exboyfil Oct 2014 #87
Do you similarly blame all victims of crimes? LisaL Oct 2014 #84
No just the ones that are negligent. Even my vet has someone on duty at night. zonkers Oct 2014 #88
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #75
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